Your Trauma Shaped Nervous System Makes Sense Part 2 of 6 {EP 251}

Robyn: We'll look at Owls, Watchdogs and Possums as grown ups as adults. I know sometimes the Owl Watchdog Possum model can feel childish or young or immature, and talking about our own Watchdogs and Possums can maybe feel a little awkward, so I'm hoping that I can support you with that. Then we'll look at how all behavior makes sense, yep, including yours as an adult. We'll talk about sensitized stress response, system state dependent functioning, and bring everything together at the end by talking about our window of tolerance. If you're new to the podcast, I just fired off a bunch of words that you're like, what, huh? What does any of that mean? Well, don't worry, we are going to go through what all of that means. But also, I have so many resources that I can I can point you to that can support you in further understanding a lot of those concepts. But if you've been listening for a while, then you probably know what most of those words mean. And if you've been listening for a long time, you've probably already started to take some of those concepts, felt safety regulation, stress response systems and think about those concepts directly related to yourself. Okay, so if you've been here a long time, this probably isn't super new idea for you, right, to take these things that we talk about in our kids and talk about them with regards to ourselves, right? That said, it still just was feeling really important to me that I take some time to directly look at these ideas through the lens of us as parents and not rely on or expect you to do kind of all of the heavy lifting or The emotional labor of translating the material I usually talk about translating it into, you know, being relevant for yourself. So again, you've been here a long time. This is probably not going to feel super like Earth shatteringly new, but I'm hoping it feels really validating. 

Robyn: And for the rest of you, I hope that it reduces again, some of like the emotional labor of taking these concepts that I've introduced to you, specific to your kids, and you know, then you have to do kind of that heavy work of relating these ideas to yourself. So I wanted to just take on some of that labor and do that here, not only in this episode, but then throughout the rest of this series. I'm positive that so many of y'all listening have your own hard histories. You have your own histories of trauma and toxic stress, and the reason I feel positive about this is because I've been working with families like y'all for 20 plus years, and the amount of families that I've supported with kids with vulnerable nervous systems, kids with trauma histories themselves, the amount of families that I've supported whose Parents also have their own histories of trauma or toxic stress, is quite high. I've never done the math before. And even if I look at, you know, the club right now and just took a guess, it would just be a completely random guess, I would say at least 75% of folks. And I kind of think that's a little bit of a low estimate. I think there's a really high correlation relationship between parenting kids with a history of trauma and having your own trauma history. I think the reasons for that are complex. There are there is actually some research that supports that. So this isn't about blame or stigma or anything like that. It's just about looking at reality. I know a lot of you listening have your own histories of trauma and toxic stress, and what also used to happen to me a lot when I was working one on one with clients, is that families would come to me seeking support for their kids, and along the way, they started to realize, oh gosh, so much of this applies to me too. I also have a history of trauma and toxic stress, and I never really labeled that way before, or I also have my own sensitivities or my own vulnerabilities. 

Robyn: Parenting, by its very nature, awakens our past, and if our past has trauma and toxic stress woven through it, then parenting is going to awaken our histories of trauma and toxic stress. This is just about being human, and when I say awaken, I mean kind of wakes up, touches, activates, lights up the neural networks, the memories in your brain that are storing those traumatic experiences. And for a lot of folks who have a history of trauma, there's a lot of things that they can do in life where their trauma is not being touched and not being activated, and sometimes we can do life and even start to kind of forget right, these histories that we have that are that are impacting us, because it doesn't feel like they're impacting us all that dramatically, and then we'll have an experience, and for different reasons, that particular experience kind of wakes Up, touches that memory network that's holding that trauma and then the sensations, the feelings, the thoughts that were experienced during that traumatic event, all of that kind of comes flooding back and intrudes on us in the in the now. So if we're parenting kids with a history of trauma or vulnerable nervous systems, or both, and we also have a history of trauma and some vulnerability in our nervous system, it makes so much sense that parenting wakes up some of those traumatic memories. So if you haven't had a chance to catch last week's episode, I really just want to emphasize this is about making sense of your experience, your past experience, and your now. This is not about shame or blame. I want you to walk away from the series with increased compassion, not increased judgment. One of the core foundational tenants of the work that I do and of the book Raising Kids With Big, Baffling Behaviors, is that the nervous system has two modes, protection mode and connection mode. 

Robyn: And the nervous system rests in connection mode when it's experiencing felt safety, when neuroception is neuroceiving More cues of safety than cues of danger. And the other mode is protection mode. And protection mode initiates when the nervous system is. Feeling unsafe when there are more cues of danger than there are cues of safety, and the nervous systems to settings are really one or the other experience. We're either in connection mode or we're in protection mode. This is, of course, true for our kids, but this is true for us. This is true for all humans. All of us are constantly moving through the world, either in connection mode or in protection mode, and all of our behaviors are initiating in that state of the nervous system. So a behavior is either initiated through connection mode or it's initiated through protection mode, the things that we're doing as parents, the way that we're parenting, the way that we're being with our kids, the way we're approaching our kids, the way we're talking to our kids, the way that we're seeing our kids, behaviors, all of that is impacted by the state of our own nervous system. Am I in connection mode, or am I in protection mode? Connection mode has characteristics like curiosity, compassion, and connectedness. Connection mode can hold lots of complex information at the same time. Connection mode can be in like the gray areas. Connection mode understands nuances, obviously, all of these things that I just said, compassion, curiosity, you know, understanding nuances, all of these things are so crucially important for parenting kids with big, baffling behaviors, right? So so much of what I'm doing here on the podcast or in my book or in the club, either directly, like explicitly, you know, very concretely talking about it, or more indirectly, is to help and support your nervous system and finding connection mode, or experiencing safety or or being more able to rest into connection mode, because I absolutely believe that you are going to parent the way that you want to and in the way that aligns with your values if you are in connection mode. Also, if you have a history of trauma, your nervous system has historically or still spent a lot of time in protection mode. The neural pathways that in that bring up protection mode are really well worn, right? Those are very comfortable, very familiar neural pathways, and so when we have our own history of trauma or toxic stress, we're almost certainly more likely to be shifted into protection mode. 

Robyn: Now, of course, this isn't bad, this isn't criticism. This is just the nervous system. Just like your kids, right? We spend so much time seeing their experiences as a result of what's happening in their nervous system, and the same is true for you, too. So if you're struggling to keep on those x ray vision goggles, if you're struggling to see your kid with curiosity or with compassion, then you're almost certainly spending a lot of time in protection mode. And that makes so much sense. If you also have a history of trauma and toxic stress, in addition to spending more time in protection mode, you almost certainly have more vulnerability in your regulatory circuits. You maybe are easily or quickly shifted out of regulation into dysregulation, but then also have a harder time coming back into regulation. Now remember, y'all, regulation is not the same thing as being calm, right? Regulation is about being present. It's about being mindful. Regulation is about being able to shift between states with ease and flexibility. Regulation means, if I shift into a dysregulated state because of danger, that once the danger has passed, my nervous system can shift with ease back into regulation, back into that regulated state, right? So the shifting is the regulation and the capacity to shift with ease in response to safety or danger in the environment that's related to regulation? If you have a history of trauma or toxic stress, you probably are more likely. To shift into a state of dysregulation and have a hard time coming back into a state of regulation. This isn't because you're bad. This is because of your own nervous system. And there's an aspect of nervous system shifts and flexibility that has a lot to do with past experiences, and just like anything that you practice, the more experiences that you have of something, the more likely you are to be able to do that in the future, to feel a lot of experiences of being dysregulated and of being kind of stuck in dysregulation. It makes sense that you have a tendency to easily shift into a dysregulated state and stay in a dysregulated state. 

Robyn: Now, right? That just makes perfect sense. And then, if you live in a home with somebody who's pretty chronically dysregulated, pretty chronically in protection mode, that means you are neuroceiving A lot of danger, because just like our kids are, are neuroceiving the state of our nervous system, and that's impacting their sense of safety, we are neuroceiving The state of their nervous system, and that's impacting our state of safety. Nervous systems want to match when a human is with somebody who's in protection mode, natural inclination is to shift into production mode. Of course, because humans in protection mode are dangerous. So if I'm with somebody in protection mode, of course, I'm also going to shift into protection mode. If I have a history of trauma and toxic stress, it is going to be harder for me to notice that shift. When I notice the shift, I can use regulation, use mindfulness, use my Owl brain to make some choices about what's going to happen next, like, do I need to stay in protection mode, or can I shift back into connection mode so I can offer my child co-regulation connection and felt safety. Well, if I have a history of trauma and toxic stress, it is so much harder to notice these shifts because they're happening quickly and they're happening with intensity, and usually they're going so much more quickly, then we could have the ability to pause and be reflective. And once we have, you know, fallen down the protection mode pathway, one of the first things we lose is the capacity for self-reflection. So if I have a history of trauma and toxic stress, it is so much harder for me to catch myself like catch my nervous system before I have fallen quite far down the protection mode pathway, and I'm in a setting right? I'm in a situation where there are a lot of cues of danger, because if I'm parenting a kid with baffling behaviors, vulnerability, sensitized stress response system, my home is probably quite flooded with cues of danger that doesn't even begin to take into account all the other pieces that come along with parenting a kid with, you know, a traumatized nervous system or a vulnerable nervous system, and that's things Like judgment from others, lack of accessibility of resources, all the things that make parenting a child with a vulnerable a vulnerable nervous system quite traumatic. 

Robyn: I have an entire episode about the things that make parenting a child with a vulnerable nervous system traumatic, and most of them have actually nothing to do with our kids and everything to do with the lack of resources that we have available to us. So if I also have a vulnerability in my regulation circuits, then, of course, I am struggling to be regulated in my family. Of course, I am struggling to offer co-regulation to my child. And then I find this baffling behavior podcast, or I read Raising Kids With Big, Baffling Behaviors, and I learn, oh my gosh, the most important thing for me to do is offer my kid co-regulation and be in connection mode. And whoa. Now I feel really stuck, really, really, really stuck, right? And that stuckness, if we're not really honest about it, that stuckness can actually contribute to more dysregulation. This is something we've been talking about more and more over in the club, one acknOwledging just our own like this impossible task that we're kind of setting ourselves up to do, but also so so many of us are experiencing lots of lack of safety, lots of danger, lots of dysregulation, not only in our parenting experience, right? And so more and more and more of us are noticing we are just really chronically dysregulated. And how can I parent with co-regulation? If. I'm chronically dysregulated. Now, I do believe that our kids need us to parent them with co-regulation to heal their nervous system, and I also do believe that that's really hard for us, and I believe it's possible for both things to be true. I don't want to get off track talking about that, but if you're listening and you're in the club, we just did a master class all about that idea of CO regulating when life is dysregulating. How do we co regulate when our own Watchdogs or our own Possums are so alive and it's so hard for our Owl brain to return now, y'all, one of the things that I've loved the most about the Owl Watchdog Possum metaphor is how accessible it is to kids and adults. 

Robyn: The Owl Watchdog Possum metaphor emerged over time in my work with play therapy clients and the children, and it stuck for a couple reasons. One, because kids were really connecting to it. It seemed pretty intuitive to kids, but also because it became pretty intuitive to their parents too. So as I was working with kids and we would start using this language, parents could pick it up really easily, and that was great, because we never spend a lot of time, you know, doing all education and explanations and all that kind of good stuff. Then what I was noticing as time went on is that the grown ups, the adults, the parents and the other clinicians that I was teaching started to use that language on themselves. Started talking about their own Watchdog and Possum and Owl. And what I also noticed then after that, is how brilliantly helpful that was. I know that some folks can find the metaphor kind of baby ish or immature? I really, really, really get that. And if that feels true for you, we can find other metaphors, or we can also just talk about the brain. But what I have found to be so helpful, and probably 80 to 90% of adults that I've worked with, is that it speaks to your inner child. Now, try not to roll your eyes about inner child. I know that's kind of this pop psychology word that's been tossed around a lot. Really, what our inner child is, is the memory network, right? That was formed, created, let's just say when you know had this experience age five years old, that experience, that memory network, still exists in your mind, and it is still impacting other parts of your mind. We don't get older and lose our old, our previous memories. That doesn't make any sense at all. So if I have memories of being five, for example. That's what I'm talking about. About kind of like our own inner child, we still have those experiences that are in our mind, in our brain, in our nervous system, and they get reactivated. That's how humans work. And what I have found is talking about Owls and Watchdogs and Possums actually seems to really resonate with and soothe those inner children. And because of the simplicity of it, it allows us to talk about something that's actually quite complex without getting too intellectual, and when we want to talk about memory integration,

Robyn: nervous system healing, all those kinds of things, we want To avoid getting overly intellectual, because we want to stay present, grounded, embodied, and so things that help us avoid giving over intellectual can be helpful. I find the album Watchdog Possum model and talking about our own Watchdogs and our own Possums to be a way that we can avoid over intellectualizing, so we can think about our own Owl pathway, or our own Owl our own Owl brain, through the lens of our adult self. Like, what are our adult Owl characteristics, curiosity and compassion, connection, mode, things, insight, reflection, meaning making one of the most important things that the Owl brain does for an adult, for a parent specifically, is our Owl brain helps us use our x ray vision goggles. Our Owl brain helps us see our kids behavior. But not stop there. Go, huh? That's interesting. I wonder what's happening inside my child that's impacting their behavior, but there's also more to it than that. Our Owl brain also helps us go and I wonder how what's happening inside me is impacting how I'm seeing my child and what's happening for them, does that make sense? So yeah, our Owl brain is working hard to see beneath behavior and see what's happening inside of our child and what kinds of things could be contributing to their behavior. Absolutely, absolutely. But we can't stop there when we think about how important our Owl brain is, because our Owl brain also goes, hmm, well, I know that what's happening inside me and how regulated or dysregulated I am, or in connection mode or protection mode I am, or my own history, my own experiences. I know that all those things inside of me are impacting how I'm viewing and making sense of what's happening inside my child's This is so crucial. This is such an important Owl brain characteristic. 

Robyn:  Okay, so when we think about your Owl Watchdog Possum, that's one of the most important skills that we really want to help cultivate in our own Owl brain. And then our Watchdog right. Our Watchdog pathway is that pathway of energy and activation. Our Watchdog is driving behaviors like hyper vigilance. Our Watchdog is driving intense anger, rage, fury. Our Watchdog is leaving us feeling really urgent or pressured. Our Watchdog is wanting to help us stay in control. Our Watchdog is protective behaviors, behaviors that are, one, emerging because we feel a sense of threat, and two, trying to help us find safety. Okay? The Watchdog is doing both of those things, and the Watchdog has an increase of energy. Hey, we can feel kind of buzzy, right? Or, you know, like our accelerator is on the floor, there's a lot of energy and maybe agitation on that Watchdog pathway. Our Watchdog wants to keep us safe. Our Watchdog wants to help us return to safety, just like our child's does. Okay? So when we respond to our child with anger. Part of what we are trying to do is get whatever that we perceive as unsafe to stop. That's what anger does. Anger tries to set a boundary. Anger tries to control what's happening. And so our Watchdog is going, This needs to stop. I need to make it end right away. That will bring me back to safety.

Robyn: What often happens, of course, is if we have a very sensitized stress response system, that the Watchdog, quote, unquote, overreacts. But we'll talk about that in a second. Then, of course, we all have a Possum pathway, and the Possum pathway is kind of like the opposite of the Watchdog. The Possum pathway is where we might collapse into hopelessness. So the watch or the Possum pathway leaves us kind of having a hard time getting off the couch. Or for me and my house, I have my favorite chair that's where I hang out. And sometimes it's just a lovely place to hang out. And I can be completely in my old brain there. But sometimes I also can start to kind of fall onto my oPossum protective pathway, and I start to have a hard time moving, a hard time getting things done, a hard time getting up, a hard time having energy for anything. Hey, that Possum pathway protects us with dissociation and with numbness. So like the Watchdog, the Possum pathway wants to help us find safety eventually, and it does that by doing the opposite of what the Watchdog does, right? It does that by withdrawing, by collapsing, by decreasing the energy, and then, just like in our kids, these are not cognitive, thought out, manipulative behavior strategies. These are nervous system responses to what our nervous system is neuroscribing as danger or threat. Now, trauma does not create these parts. Everyone has Owl, Watchdog, Possums, okay? If we look at the science and the nervous system physiology that that's representing, we all have those parts. What trauma or toxic? Stress does is sensitize them trauma and toxic stress leaves our Owl brain feeling very fragile, and leaves our Watchdog and our Possum feeling like they have to attack and they have to attack big and they have to work really hard to stay safe. 

Robyn: We all have Owls, Watchdogs, and Possums trauma and toxic stress sensitizes our Watchdog and Possum. It creates that kind of classic mountain out of a molehill scenario, right? Teeny, tiny stressor, big, big, big response. And I'm sure that if you could sink into your Owl brain for a moment, you could, with some self reflection, think about a recent time when your Watchdog or Possum responded to your child's Watchdog and Possum, but in a very overzealous way. So I'm not suggesting for a second that your child doesn't have behaviors that you know really require you to pay attention, to have a response, to have a boundary, of course, but often, because of how our own nervous system is sensitized, we end up having, like, an attack, Watchdog response to something that probably could have been safely managed by like our What's up Watchdog the same thing is true for our kids. Our kids have back off and attack Watchdog responses when probably all they needed was like a What's up Watchdog response. And they could have figured it out that way right now, if these specific aspects of Watchdogs and Possums. What's up? Back off attack on the Possum pathway. There's La La Land, there's shut down, there's collapse. If these specificities are new to you, I will direct you to where you can get some more information. I have a podcast episode all about that, but also my focus on the nervous system, webinar can support you through understanding the different levels of Owls, Watchdogs, and Possums also, as well as, of course, Raising Kids With Big, Baffling Behaviors. So there's places you can go to go learn about the different nuances of Watchdogs and Possums. Ultimately, what this means is that our behavior makes sense, just like our kids' behavior makes sense. 

Robyn: All behavior makes sense, including ours, right? The way that our nervous system is, you know, putting together reality, taking in information that's happening right now, merging it together with all of our past experiences, and then shifting accordingly into either connection mode or protection mode based on you know, how many cues of safety or cues of danger they are, right? And then from there, we're reacting or we're responding. So our reaction, our response, it makes perfect sense if we have a history of trauma or toxic stress, that means our stream of the past has a lot of cues of danger in it, and it is overtaking our stream of the present. And even if we do have a lot of cues of safety in the stream of the present, the cues of danger in the stream of the past are like overflowing, right? And so we are so much more likely to be in protection mode. We are so much more vulnerable to shifting quickly into protection mode, even if at times we can hang out in connection mode, all behavior makes sense, including yours, your stream of the now, your stream of the past, all of the 11 million bits of data that it's taking in and then combining with Your history in order to decide safe or not safe. And then, from there, behaviors begin. And if we have a very sensitive stress response system, it makes perfect sense that we might have a big, big, big response to what we could kind of, quote, unquote, objectively call small stressor. I don't like to get in into the weeds with, like, big stressors, small stressor, but generally speaking, I think we all have some understanding of what huge response, small stressor means, right? It's like my, you know, Kid rolled their eyes at me, and I'm having, all of a sudden an attack Watchdog response? 

Robyn: Well, I think we can agree that those are a little bit of a mismatch, right? We're not in physical danger because our kid rolls their eyes at me or rolls their eyes at you, but what is true is maybe I was already in protection mode and maybe disrespect when. I was a kid was a very, very, very dangerous behavior. You know, maybe when I was a kid, if I demonstrated some sign of disrespect, I would get hit. So then my kid rolls their eyes. That feels like a very dangerous display of disrespect, because it was when I was a kid. Plus my nervous system is so sensitive, I'm already spending a lot of time in protection mode, and suddenly this, you know, gesture that my kid does, it's causing me to have an attack Watchdog response. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Now we want to help that. We want to calm that stress response. Because, one, it's not safe. Two, it's exhausting. In three, we're not helping our child right by having a big response by that and so we've missed this opportunity to support our child's nervous system is, there's all sorts of reasons that we want to support our own nervous system through that, but that can be true, while it's also completely true that it that response made perfect sense, right? Because of our own histories of trauma and toxic stress. Are, we are having big, big, big responses to what might be called Tiny stressors. The stress response system is very sensitized. It is faster to activate, much, much, much faster to activate, faster to go all the way down the pathway, and slower to return to safety, and when we fall far down the Watchdog or the Possum pathway, we lose access to all that beautiful nervous system knOwledge that we have, all of those ways that we learn to help our kid with regulation and connection to felt safety, all those great things you learned when uou read Raising Kids With Big, Baffling Behaviors. If you have fallen all the way down the Watchdog or the Possum pathway, you couldn't possibly do any of those things, you haven't lost the knowledge or the skills. 

Robyn: You've lost access to them because of just like in your kids, the idea of state dependent functioning, right? Right? If you want to parent your child in the way that you want to and in the way that's like in alignment with your values, you are going to have to do that mostly from the Owl brain, because that's where all those values live. So if you are quickly shifting into protection mode and falling far down the Watchdog and Possum pathway. Well, then, of course, you are using parenting strategies that you're regretting. You're not a bad parent. You are just having a physiological response to stress and then having behaviors that are in alignment with that, and because parenting just in general is stressful, but parenting a child with a history of trauma is not just stressful. Y'all like that is toxic stress. That is trauma, right? Parenting a child with a vulnerable nervous system has the potential to easily become traumatic. Now our already fragile or compromised window of tolerance that we have come to very honestly because of our own past experiences. Right now it becomes even more fragile, even more vulnerable, because we're under chronic stress and we are not getting the reprieve of safety connection and co-regulation that we need in order to keep our window of tolerance nice and wide and strong. So yeah, y'all all the things that we talk about with our kids, connection or protection, felt, safety regulation, Owls Watch Dogs, Possums, how all behavior makes sense, having a sensitized stress response system and having a narrow and vulnerable window of tolerance, all those things we talk about with regards to our kids all true about us,

Robyn: if we are parenting with our own history of trauma and toxic stress, we are bringing a lot of vulnerabilities into this experience, and that doesn't make you bad. That's nothing to be ashamed of. We want to acknOwledge it, articulate it, be honest about it, because, well, first of all, when we do those things, those are all cues of safety, being honest, being authentic, naming things for what they really are, even if they're really hard, all of that, that's all cues of safety. It also kind of gives us a starting point, a place to work from, okay, the same reason that we are. So curious to see our kids through this lens, right? It's so that we can make better choices about how to actually help them, right? The same reasons is why we want to see ourselves through this lens so we can make better choices about how to help ourselves. We can be with ourselves with compassion, and then make choices about how we can support and grow and strengthen our own nervous system, which is exactly what we're going to do in the next four episodes of this series. So in future episodes, we're going to look at ways to widen our own window of tolerance, specifically because we have our own histories of trauma and toxic stress. And we're going to look at how do we care for our own Watchdog and Possum parts? We all have our own like inner child and our own younger parts, but we also all have our own Watchdog and Possum parts. And the same way we want to use our Owl brain to care for our children's Owl and watch or Watchdog and Possum parts. We can use our Owl brain and also turn to other people's Owl brains to care for our Watchdog and Possum parts. 

Robyn: Then we're going to look at how we can identify some of our own triggers, especially related to having our own history of trauma and toxic stress. And then we'll wrap up the series by talking about grief and the grief of of being with our own trauma and toxic stress, and the grief of seeing clearly how our own histories are impacting our parenting and impacting our kids, because if we want to be honest, so that we can move forward, that also means coming into contact with the grief of what we've lost, or of what's hard for us and of how those Things are impacting our kids, and we can do that. We can so bravely look at how all those things are impacting us and our parenting and our kids, and we can grieve that, and we must do that so that we can continue to take more steps forward. Now, if you're new here, I have just given you an unbelievable amount of information. I want to invite you to try not to get too overwhelmed, to know that other folks have been listening to this podcast for five years, right for 250 episodes, and we're still talking about all of this. So we have a lot of time. We can be very patient with ourselves, and there are so many places and resources where you can continue to look to get some support for your own nervous system. In fact, here's what I'm thinking at the end of this series, I'll make sure I put together, like one really big, comprehensive kind of resource list with like other podcasts, you can listen to some of the other free resources that I offer. And then I also think I'll put together, maybe, like a map or a resource list for those of you who are over in the club, like all of the resources that we have in the club, and how those resources can support you if you are parenting a child with your own history of trauma and toxic stress. 

Robyn: So things like our, you know, self compassion, 15 day guided experience we have that caring for your Watchdog or your Watchdog and Possum parts, guided experience. So I'll put together a list, or almost like a map, of resources specific to those of you who are over in the club. Okay, once this whole series that I'm doing is done. So this is episode two, and we're gonna do six episodes, so we'll have four more episodes to keep exploring so bravely. Y'all, it's so brave for us to explore how our own histories of trauma and toxic stress are impacting our parenting, and in particular parenting kids with their own vulnerabilities. Thank you for tuning in again. It's so brave. I'm so honored to be invited on this journey with you. So honored to get to play a role in this journey with you, and I will be back here again with you next week. Bye. You.