When Your Nervous System is Fried {EP 139}


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Living with someone who has significant vulnerability in their nervous system can lead to a sensitized stress response system, resulting in unpredictable and sometimes unsafe behaviors. This can leave our own nervous systems in a state of distress. While we often discuss secondary trauma in parenting kids with trauma histories, the truth is that living with someone who has significant dysregulation is trauma in itself. Understanding this perspective allows us to acknowledge the challenges we face without criticizing ourselves or others.

The Impact on Our Nervous System

When living with or being in close relationship with someone in chronic protection mode, our own nervous systems can become stuck in fight-flight, collapse, or other protective states. This prolonged state of protection mode overwhelms our nervous systems, which are designed to handle short bursts of danger. As a result, we feel depleted and lack the co-regulation and support we need to care for ourselves and our vulnerable loved ones.

The Consequences of Burnout and Lack of Support

Many caregivers find themselves without the necessary support from agencies, organizations, or society at large. Instead of receiving the understanding and assistance they require, they often encounter blame and shame. It is important to understand that while this behavior is not excusable, it can be attributed to the burnout and fried nervous systems of those in helping roles. Recognizing the reasons behind this behavior allows us to shift from protection mode to a more powerful state of connection, enabling us to set boundaries and seek understanding.

Signs of a Fried Nervous System

Various symptoms indicate that our nervous system is overwhelmed and depleted. These symptoms include feelings of hopelessness, helplessness, blaming, and shaming, as well as a lack of motivation or interest in understanding the behavior of our loved ones. Intense mood swings, overusing coping skills, and withdrawing from support systems are also common signs. Recognizing these signs is crucial to understanding the state of our nervous system.

Bringing Rest and Healing to our Nervous System

Once we acknowledge the state of our fried nervous system, it is essential not to rush into changing it. Instead, we should aim to bring moments of rest and healing through connection. Recognizing that our nervous system needs safety, acknowledgment, and soothing is crucial. Seeing and validating the part of ourselves that is fried and offering self-compassion are important steps towards healing.

Practicing Self-Compassion and Seeking Compassionate Spaces

While self-compassion may feel challenging or out of reach, we can scaffold it by immersing ourselves in compassionate spaces and seeking external sources of compassion. Reading books, listening to podcasts, and being in environments where compassion is abundant can help us develop self-compassion. By surrounding ourselves with compassion and participating in acts of compassion towards others, we can gradually learn to extend it to ourselves.

Recognizing the Need for Healing

Taking time to recognize the state of our nervous system and being gentle with ourselves is crucial. Pausing to acknowledge our own limitations and the necessity of self-care is important in navigating the challenges of daily life. While healing and change may not happen overnight, understanding and addressing our fried nervous system is a step toward restoring balance, resilience, and well-being.

Choosing Nourishing Foods

It is important to incorporate nourishing foods into one’s diet, even while acknowledging the natural human craving for quick sources of energy like carbs, sugar, and comfort foods. We can avoid shaming ourselves for indulging in these foods but I also suggest sneaking in healthier options like apples, cheese sticks, or hard-boiled eggs to add some nutrition to meals.

Gentle Movement for Safety and Discharging Energy

Gentle movement is important for the body, especially for individuals with a highly stressed or fried nervous system. While cautioning against starting intense exercise routines, I advocate for small moments of gentle movement that can help the body remember its experience of safety and release pent-up energy. Movement doesn’t have to be traditional exercises like running or yoga but can be as simple as swapping a desk chair for a swivel chair.

Finding Supportive Relationships

It is highly important to find supportive relationships and spaces where we can express our suppressed feelings without judgment. This is challenging for  individuals in high-stress environments, such as healthcare practitioners and parents, who often prioritize others’ emotional experiences while neglecting their own. I encourage you to seek out relationships and places where their feelings can be held and seen, without being judged or getting stuck in negative emotions.

Cultivating Self-Compassion and Surrounding Oneself with Compassion

The practice of self-compassion is crucial, as well as immersing oneself in spaces where compassion is valued. You can do things like reading books, listening to podcasts, or engaging with communities that promote compassion, even if you feel undeserving or unable to provide self-compassion at the moment. Surrounding oneself with the energy of compassion can be a source of support and healing.

Tiny Acts of Self-Care for a Fried Nervous System

Recently, members of The Club shared small, practical, and easily achievable acts of self-care. These acts include going outside barefoot, feeling grass, splashing cold water on the face, stretching, showering, listening to music, taking naps, talking to understanding friends, having snacks or drinks, engaging in physical activities like jumping on a trampoline, and immersing oneself in enjoyable hobbies. The emphasis is on finding moments of joy and relief for the fried nervous system.

Additional Support for a Fried Nervous System

For additional support consider seeking therapy or finding someone who understands the challenges of chronic protection mode and can provide support and belief. You may try outsourcing non-childcare-related tasks, simplifying life, and considering functional or integrative medicine approaches. These approaches can offer additional assistance for individuals experiencing chronic stress cycles and help identify and address underlying factors contributing to the fried nervous system.

Impossible, Necessary Grief

Underneath all of these moments of care, and underneath are very, very fried nervous system is very righteous, grief, and grieving is exhausting. And so it makes a lot of sense that when your nervous system is totally fried, that grieving feels impossible. There is this delicate balance of grieving being necessary to bring some balance back to our nervous system, while also being true that grieving is exhausting.

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Stealing {EP 138}


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Stealing is a frequent concern among parents and professionals, yet there is a lack of comprehensive resources on the subject. The goal is to provide a single source that explores the behavior of stealing in depth, taking into account the underlying factors that contribute to it.

Behavior as a Clue to Nervous System Functioning

Robyn emphasizes the need to look beyond the behavior itself and recognize it as a clue to what is happening in the child’s nervous system. Stealing, in particular, highlights the importance of using “x-ray vision goggles” to delve into the root causes. It is crucial to identify whether the behavior is related to regulation, connection, felt safety, or a combination of these factors.

Skills Needed to Avoid Stealing

To address stealing behavior, it is essential to assess whether children have the necessary skills to demonstrate socially appropriate behavior. One fundamental skill is understanding the concept of ownership and boundaries. Children with attachment trauma may struggle with developing a sense of self as separate from others, impacting their understanding of ownership. Parenting with a focus on co-regulation, connection, and felt safety helps strengthen children’s psychological boundaries and their sense of self.

Exploring Stealing Behavior through the Lens of Regulation, Connection, and Felt Safety

Robyn breaks down stealing behavior by examining it through the lens of felt safety, connection, and regulation. Felt safety refers to a child’s sense of trust in having their needs met and their ability to delay gratification. Children who lack felt safety may believe they need to take matters into their own hands to meet their needs, leading to stealing. Dysregulation and high arousal levels can also diminish a child’s ability to consider future consequences, making it harder for them to resist taking what they want.

Connection and Empathy

Connection plays a crucial role in preventing stealing behavior. Children need to develop empathy and care about the impact of their actions on others and their relationships. Strengthening the parent-child relationship and fostering empathy can help children understand the importance of not taking things that don’t belong to them.

Stealing behavior in children with a history of trauma or attachment issues can stem from various underlying causes. By understanding the child’s nervous system functioning and addressing factors such as regulation, connection, and felt safety, parents and professionals can help children develop appropriate behaviors and strengthen their sense of self. The podcast aims to provide practical guidance for parents navigating these challenges while creating a safe and supportive environment for both the child and the family.

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Disappointment: A Sneaky Cause of Baffling Behaviors {EP 137}


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Exploring the Impact of Disappointment

The episode delves into the feeling and experience of disappointment, which underlies many baffling behaviors in children and adults alike. The host reflects on her own therapy, where she realized her tendency to avoid disappointment by having low expectations and not anticipating much from others. While it is important to manage expectations realistically, the host encourages curiosity about why individuals may relinquish hope or anticipation to protect themselves from the feeling of disappointment.

The Neglected Emotion: Disappointment

The podcast highlights how disappointment is often minimized and deemed unworthy of attention or validation in Western culture. Many individuals, especially during childhood, did not receive adequate co-regulation or support for this emotion. Consequently, disappointment becomes an intolerable sensation that people seek to avoid or suppress. Lacking regulatory circuits to navigate disappointment, individuals develop protective parts that prevent them from fully experiencing the emotion, leading to puzzling and challenging behaviors.

Neurobiology of Disappointment

The podcast delves into the neurobiology of disappointment, particularly in children with nervous system vulnerabilities and trauma histories. The sensation of disappointment involves an initial forward-seeking energy when desiring or anticipating something. However, if expectations are not met, the nervous system triggers a crash, resembling a dorsal vagal drop or possum pathway activation. For individuals who have experienced trauma, disappointment can be intolerable, as it resembles previous traumatic experiences. This intolerance contributes to protective behaviors aimed at avoiding disappointment.

Protective Behaviors and Coping Strategies

Individuals employ various protective behaviors to shield themselves from disappointment, such as giving up easily, avoiding risks, appearing lazy, or adopting a grandiose attitude. Some individuals become people-pleasers or perfectionists, striving to meet others’ expectations to avoid disappointment. These protective behaviors, while attempts to navigate disappointment, are not foolproof and cannot completely avoid the sensation of disappointment or prevent others from feeling disappointed.

Embracing Disappointment and Allowing Emotional Experience

The host concludes by emphasizing the importance of embracing disappointment and allowing oneself and others to have their own emotional experiences. While disappointment can be challenging, it is a natural part of life. By acknowledging and validating the feeling of disappointment, individuals can develop healthier coping mechanisms and regulate their nervous systems effectively.

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Making Sense of Baffling Behaviors {EP 136}


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The Impulsive Beginning

The Parenting after Trauma came to fruition almost on a whim. Inspired by the desire to connect with families, Robyn experimented with Facebook Live sessions but soon realized that repurposing the audios from those sessions into a podcast would be a more effective way to reach and help people. Thus, in the midst of personal challenges, she embarked on the journey of recording podcasts in a simple and accessible manner.

The Podcast’s Name and Branding

Robyn admits that she didn’t give much thought to the name of the podcast at first, naming it “Parenting After Trauma.” While the intention was to create a resource specifically for families impacted by trauma, the name occasionally caused confusion. As the podcast gained popularity and resonated with a broader audience facing different challenges, the need to reconsider the name and branding arose.

Most Families Need Help

Robyn acknowledges the growing number of families connecting with the podcast whose children may not have experienced trauma in the traditional sense. The common thread among listeners is the presence of nervous system vulnerabilities leading to baffling behaviors. Recognizing the importance of inclusivity, Robyn aims to provide support and resources to all families navigating these challenges, irrespective of the specific cause of their child’s behavior.

The Impact of the Podcast

Robyn expresses her astonishment at the profound impact the podcast has had on both herself and the listeners. Over two and a half years, the podcast has garnered hundreds of thousands of downloads from 159 countries. Countless families have shared how the podcast changed their lives, provided solace, and made them feel seen and understood. The unexpected depth of connection and the shared journey with listeners has been a truly humbling experience for Robyn.

Considering a Name Change

Robyn reveals that she has received requests from professionals and listeners to change the name of the podcast. Some individuals feel that the word “trauma” may deter certain families from listening, even if the content is relevant to their situation. While Robyn’s original commitment was to cater specifically to trauma-affected families, she now grapples with the dilemma of inclusivity and ensuring that all families with baffling behaviors can benefit from the podcast.

Nervous System Vulnerabilities

Robyn highlights how her personal experiences with neuro immune disorders, specifically PANS (Pediatric Acute Onset Neuropsychiatric Syndrome), have expanded her understanding of different causes of baffling behaviors. She emphasizes the importance of acknowledging all nervous system vulnerabilities, whether they stem from trauma or other conditions, and providing support without judgment.

Living in the Both

Robyn emphasizes her ability to embrace the complexity and nuances of different experiences. She aims to find a balance where parents of trauma-impacted children feel seen and supported while opening the podcast to a broader audience facing various challenges. By living in the “both,” she aims to ensure that no family feels excluded or judged for their child’s baffling behaviors.

Looking Ahead

As the podcast continues to evolve, Robyn plans to write a book about her own journey with baffling behaviors and self-compassion. This side project aims to extend understanding and compassion to individuals navigating their own challenges. Ultimately, Robyn’s mission remains clear: to support families, provide resources, and foster compassion for children and adults with baffling behaviors.

The Baffling Behavior Show has come a long way since its impulsive beginnings. Robyn’s dedication to exploring the complexities of human behavior and supporting families has created a platform that resonates with listeners worldwide. As the podcast evolves, it remains committed to inclusivity, understanding the root causes of baffling behaviors, and offering support to all families on their unique journeys.

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You’re Not Doing It Wrong {EP 135}


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You aren’t Doing it Wrong

In recent discussions in The Club, a common question that arises is, “What am I doing wrong?” Many individuals find themselves examining their family challenges and questioning their own actions. It’s important to recognize that this question stems from a watchdog brain and a nervous system in protection mode. The assumption behind this question is that if we were doing things right, these challenges wouldn’t exist. However, it’s crucial to understand that this perspective is flawed and often driven by deeply embedded beliefs from our past experiences.

If We Could Only Just Get it Right

From a young age, many of us learned that things changed when we got them right. This belief led us to think that we had the power to make life easier, regulate others, and even ourselves if we could just get everything right. While we may now know that we don’t possess such control, moments of stress can trigger our old neural pathways, leading us back to this mindset. Stress narrows our window of tolerance and defaults our brains to use well-exercised neural pathways.

Widening the Window of Stress Tolerance

To create lasting change and healing, it’s important to widen our window of stress tolerance. By expanding this window, we have more choices in which neural pathways our brain will follow. Stress often reinforces the belief that getting things right will result in changes in others’ behavior. However, our brain takes in millions of pieces of data, and we can only influence a small portion of that for others.

We must recognize that our rightness or wrongness doesn’t determine someone else’s safety or behavior.

Embracing Uncertainty

While the watchdog brain seeks certainty through a binary understanding of right versus wrong, the owl brain is comfortable with uncertainty. It acknowledges that humans are complex systems constantly moving toward coherence and organization. When we observe baffling behaviors in ourselves, our children, or our partners, we can recognize that these behaviors do not align with coherence or organization. Embracing this complexity allows us to explore new possibilities and approaches.

Shifting the Question

Instead of asking, “What am I doing wrong?” we can step back and inquire if there are ways to offer more co-regulation, connection, and felt safety to our children. By cultivating curiosity and openness, we shift from demanding answers to embracing possibilities. This way of parenting doesn’t aim to prevent all dysregulation or baffling behaviors in our children. Instead, it acknowledges that change occurs when our regulation meets their dysregulation, leading to long-term shifts in the nervous system.

Offering Co-Regulation

When our children bring us their dysregulation, and we respond with regulation (not necessarily calmness), change begins to unfold in their neurobiology. Over time, our regulations become integrated within them, reducing their dysregulation. The goal is not immediate behavior change but rather sustainable shifts in the nervous system, which hold greater promise for long-term growth.

Embracing Curiosity and Compassion

It’s crucial to approach these questions without shame or blame. Instead, cultivate curiosity and self-compassion. When you catch yourself asking, “What am I doing wrong?” recognize it as a signal from your nervous system in protection mode. Understand that being in protection mode is challenging. By shifting the focus to how you can offer more co-regulation, you can navigate these challenges with compassion and curiosity, leading to meaningful growth and connection.

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What if Trauma Informed…Isn’t? {EP 134}


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We cannot be trauma informed without changing our beliefs about human behavior. 

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • How staying focused on behavior is objectifying and dehumanizing
  • Why we cannot heal vulnerable nervous systems with objectifying approaches
  • How our culture sets parents up to believe good parents are in control of their kids behaviors
  • How to begin deconstructing these beliefs so we can stay in our owl brain

Resources Mentioned

Robyn’s book: https://robyngobbel.com/bafflingbook

Has Trauma Informed Become A Behavior Modification Technique? https://robyngobbel.com/traumainformed/

Influence Behaviors, Not Control https://robyngobbel.com/influencebehaviors/

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School Refusal with Eliza Fricker {EP 133}


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Eliza Fricker is the author and illustrator of Sunday Times bestseller Can’t Not Won’t published by Jessica Kingsley in February 2023.

She is also author of The Family Experience of PDA. Her third book Thumbsucker will be published in December 2023.

As well as writing and illustrating her own books Eliza also co-authors with others, including Laura Kerbey’s book The Educators Experience of Pathological Demand Avoidance, The Square Pegs book and Nurturing Your Young Autistic Person by Cathy Wassell, and several upcoming books with Dr Naomi Fisher.

Missing the Mark began in early 2020 as an illustrated blog. Not only an artistic expression of difference in today’s society, Missing the Mark also aims to serve as a thought provoking and valuable contribution to the visibility, acceptance and support of families like Eliza’s. It acts as a way to communicate difficult circumstances with teachers, educators, social workers, other parents and friends of those also experiencing these issues, with the hope of providing a drop more humanity in the world.

Eliza Fricker continues to work with other professionals on illustration commissions for projects and publications. She is also a public speaker as well as offering advocacy to families.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • What is pathological demand avoidance, or PDA?
  • Schools valuing attendance above all is not helpful
  • You are a good parent even if your kid doesn’t go to school
  • All we have to do is be nice

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Screentime & Mental Health with Debbie Steinberg Kuntz {EP 132}


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Debbie Steinberg Kuntz, LMFT is a licensed marriage and family therapist and is the founder of Bright & Quirky. She specializes in helping bright kids and families with learning, social, emotional and behavioral challenges optimize their lives for thriving. Debbie has interviewed over 300 of the top psychologists and educators, and together with the Bright & Quirky team, has served over 100,000 parents in 150 countries through the Bright & Quirky Child Online Summit, the IdeaLab parent learning community and a variety of Bright & Quirky programs and services. Debbie lives near Seattle with her husband and two sons.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Healthy use and overuse when it comes to screen time
  • Consuming screen time with mindful intentionality 
  • Helpful tips for transition time away from screens
  • Power with instead of power over and having collaborative conversations
  • What do we do now that the screens are turned off?

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Knot Parenting {EP 131}


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I invited Carrie Contey, PhD. onto the podcast to discuss her ideas of Knot Parenting. Carrie and I talk about the power of really, truly seeing our kids for who they are- especially kids with vulnerable nervous systems whose behaviors sometimes distract us from their core preciousness and goodness.

Carrie Contey, Ph.D. is an internationally recognized coach, author, speaker and educator. Her work offers a new perspective on human development, parenting and family life. She guides, supports and inspires her clients to live with wide-open and courageous hearts so they can approach family life with skill and spaciousness. Carrie received her doctorate in prenatal and perinatal psychology and is masterful at synthesizing and articulating the science, psychology and spirituality of humanhood. She is the co-founder of the Slow Family Living movement, the co-author of CALMS: A Guide To Soothing Your Baby and creator of a variety of impactful courses intended to support and guide parents from toddlerhood all the way through teenhood. Carrie has appeared on NBC’s The Today Show, NPR, CBS radio and in many publications including Time, Parenting and The Boston Globe. Her latest endeavor is her Knot Parenting podcast, an 8-episode mini-series, available on a variety of podcast platforms. You can learn more about Carrie at www.carriecontey.com

A Broader Container: Developing Humans

Right away, Carrie shifts the perspective we’ve been taught about parenting – that our responsibility is to shape another human into their future selves – into one wherein we realize that our children are already born with their core beingness and that our role is to learn and grow along with them as they unfold.

She reminds us “There’s a whole essence of a being in that little tiny body. And that little tiny body is so vulnerable and so immature and is not wired yet. And so, they arrive in this little creature form, but they’re in there, and they’re always in there. And, yes, it’s easy to just see the behavior because it’s so triggering, and it can be so scary at times. But when you can remember that you’re not making them who they are, you’re just figuring out how you can grow yourself and stretch yourself to hold that this person is who they are. And yes, there’s plenty you can do to work with the behavior. But if you hold the mindset of A), I’m not making them who they are, they are who they are; and B) I have to be aware of my own self and my beingness if I really want to get there with them and be in attunement with them. It changes, and it doesn’t always make it easier, but it offers a broader container for the experience that you’re having, which can seem almost untenable at times.”

Knot Parenting

That’s the idea behind Knot Parenting. The knot, the tangle, is about using the experiences that you have with these humans to grow yourself. Our children can grow and stretch us and our capacity to love, and our capacity to hold intensity, and our capacity to regulate ourselves.

“You’ve cultivated skills in yourself, for better or for worse, but probably for a lot better, that you may not have ever tapped into: your resilience, your passion, your love, your care. You may have never excavated that aspect of yourself had this exact human not shown up in your life.”

Grief

There is grief in the fact that you may never have chosen this. You would never have asked for an experience that would be this hard. It does not feel like an honor that you are being stretched and grown in this way. 

You deserve to be seen in the profound humanity of how much is required of you, and especially in the truth that your nervous system is limited in the amount of energy it has to match the intensity of it. 

Dreaming the Systems of Care We Need

A culture that can shift into recognizing the revolutionary potential of parents who are facing this intensity would create systems that circle around these families, offering more energy in the sheer presence of more nervous systems to hold you and your child. Carrie invites us to dream this with her.

How to connect with Carrie Contey, PhD.

Website: https://www.carriecontey.com/
Podcast: https://www.carriecontey.com/podcast
Email: hello@carriecontey.com
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/carrieconteyphd
Instagram: @carrieconteyphd https://www.instagram.com/carrieconteyphd/
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Freebies: https://www.carriecontey.com/resources

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More About Blocked Care- Friday Q&A {EP 130}


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Can you please talk more about blocked care?

This Friday Q&A is a follow up to Episode 123- Healing Blocked Care. 

  1. If connection is a biological imperative, how can I be experiencing blocked care?
  2. How does blocked care fit into the owl, watchdog, and possum approach to the nervous system?
  3. What are some more tips for parents experiencing blocked care?

This is a Friday Q&A episode, where I answer a listener’s question.

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