Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors finally hits the bookshelves and your mailbox this week.

We’ve spent the last month talking about owls, watchdogs, and possums.

Today, as I move toward wrapping up this writing-and-publishing-a-book chapter in my life, let’s talk a little more about the neuroscience of owls, watchdogs, and possums, why the science matters, and how my work has surprisingly become more about helping the grown-ups love their own owl, watchdog, and possum brains.

Interpersonal Neurobiology

A core tenet of IPNB is that the human brain, mind, and relationships are all complex systems. Complex systems have a natural co-organizing capacity and are always moving toward integration. Integration, the linkage of differentiated parts, is a fundamental characteristic of mental wellness. 

Characteristics of an Integrated Middle Prefrontal Cortex

Dr. Siegel’s research on IPNB indicates that the characteristics of integration, including things like response flexibility, attuned communication, body regulation, empathy, and fear modulation, are also characteristics of secure attachment. 

Most of the parents I know with kids with baffling behaviors would agree that they’d love to increase their child’s characteristics of integration and secure attachment. Would your child’s behaviors be so baffling if your child had characteristics of regulation, attunement, and response flexibility? 

Integration and Our Observing Selves

The experiences of secure attachment contribute to the development of what researchers would call ‘the observing self.’ The part of ourselves that can observe and reflect upon ourselves- without judgment.

Our observing self both emerges from integration and prompts integration.

This observing self is one important characteristic of the owl brain. 

Polyvagal Theory and the Autonomic Nervous System

The ventral vagal complex in the parasympathetic branch of the autonomic nervous system invites social connectedness. When we are feeling safe, our default mode is to move toward (and be available for) connection. Being in a ventral vagal state invites and reciprocates connection with others and ourselves. This social connectedness then strengthens our ventral vagal nerve.

The ventral vagus = owl brain.

Strong Owl Brains

To nurture our children’s hatching owl brains (their observing self and their ventral vagal brake) we need adults to have strong owl brains.

Strong owl brains allow the grown-ups to see children’s behavior for what it really is- a reflection of the state of their nervous system. 

At first, the only strategy is for the adult to stay in their owl brain, offering connection, co-regulation, and felt safety.

Slowly this presence begins to strengthen and organize the child’s owl brain (strengthens the ventral vagus, the observing self, and the stress response system).

Young, emerging owl brains LOVE metaphor and play. Playfully integrating the metaphor of owls, watchdogs, and possums into our children’s lives strengthens their owl brain.

Eventually, kids grow owl brains strong enough to be observing, non-judgmental, and compassionate- toward themselves!

Adults, too

Here’s the unexpected part. This whole experience of using our owl brains to help strengthen our child’s owl brain strengthens our owl brains, too. 

This will increase your capacity to stay connected to yourself in the face of your child’s dysregulation. Your way of being- not something you actually do- is what invites of moment of presence and integration within your child’s dysregulated nervous system.

You love your child’s watchdog and possum parts by loving your own.

Holding You in My Owl’s Wings

Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors uses metaphor, story, and science to strengthen your owl brain (ventral vagal complex) and increase your window of stress tolerance. It is my hope that in reading this book, you will feel held by my owl brain.

Thankfully, I have owl wings wrapped around my watchdog and possum brain, too. You can read about those folks in my acknowledgments. 

I have so many owls who have knit themselves into my neurobiology and strengthened my own owl self so that I can offer compassionate gratitude and nonjudgmental presence to you and your child.

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors: Brain Body Sensory Strategies that Really Work

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You’ve probably wondered how you can know the neuroscience of behavior and have a toolbox full of tools…and still struggle to actually USE those tools.

Most parents have the thought, “If I know what to do, why aren’t I actually doing it???”

It’s not because you’re a bad parent.

It’s because you’re dysregulated, have a sensitized stress response system, and probably have some implicit memories that leave you vulnerable to being triggered.

Strengthening YOUR Owl Brain

The four most powerful and most accessible ways to strengthen your owl brain so your watchdog and possum brain take charge less often are:

  • Connection 
  • Play
  • Noticing the Good
  • Self Compassion

Choose the Easiest (Or Least Hard)

I know I know. None of those things sound like something you want to do when your nervous system is totally fried.

They sound exhausting. I get it.

Pick the one that is the least hard, and start there.

Remind yourself that sometimes hard things (like exercise or eating spinach) are worth it, even if you don’t want to do them.

Implicit Memory

One of my very favorite topics is memory science.

Weird, I know.

But- memory is everything. And it’s why you’re watchdog and possum brain are working over time.

Exploring unintegrated traumatic memory as well as implicit memory is important if you want to strengthen your owl brain.

I have two previous podcast episodes about memory, plus a free video series and an eBook about memory.

AND Chapter 10 of Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors helps you explore the impact of memory on your own nervous system.

If you want to dive even deeper into these concepts, consider joining us over in The Club. We have a video called ‘Trigger Hunting’ that helps you identify the memory triggers that might be contributing to your dysregulation. 

Neuroscience + Tools + Connection to Self

Supporting your child with baffling behaviors means understanding the neuroscience of behavior, and having a toolbox full of tools that address the real problem (regulation, connection, and felt safety), while also connecting to yourself and staying regulated in the face of chaos.

Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors invites you to explore and connect the dots with all three. There is still time to pre-order by CLICKING HERE. 

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

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Understanding our children’s behavior can sometimes be a daunting task, especially when it appears to be random and unpredictable. The good news is that the seemingly random outbursts are not as arbitrary as they might seem. These are an intricate dance of neurobiology, a reflection of your child’s inner world, which can be deciphered through a deeper understanding of neuroscience.

The Three Categories of Baffling Behaviors

In this episode we delve into the neuroscience behind child behavior, aiming to unmask the mysteries that often perplex parents. We focus on three categories that often encapsulate baffling behaviors: lack of regulation, lack of connection, and lack of health safety.

Understanding the Neurobiology

Neuroscience provides us with a profound understanding of what drives these behaviors. It equips us with strategies that work with our child’s brain, not against it. We explore how an understanding of the neurobiology of behavior can bring coherence and eventual change. This knowledge is instrumental in managing challenging behaviors and enhancing the child-parent relationship

Stopping The Behavior While Understanding The Cause

As parents, it is natural for us to want these baffling behaviors to cease. However, it’s equally important to understand what’s causing it. We need to strike a delicate balance between the desire to stop the behavior and the need to understand its root cause. Often, our kids’ baffling behaviors do not pose an immediate physical danger but still evoke a response in us that leaves us feeling like we’re in immediate physical danger.

Different Levels of Activation

Understanding the different levels of activation on the Watchdog and Possum pathways can help us respond appropriately to avoid triggering a larger response. Being aware of these pathways allows us to create safety and invite the Owl brain back. The strategies discussed in the podcast episode, coupled with patience and understanding, can help navigate the tricky landscape of baffling child behavior.

Applying The Knowledge

Understanding the neurobiology of child behavior is a journey of discovery. By applying the knowledge gained from understanding the neuroscience, we can better understand our children, respond more effectively to their behaviors and cultivate a more harmonious and understanding family environment.

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors released September 21. CLICK HERE to choose from a variety of pre-order bonuses, including a signed copy or 20% off.

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When our kids have a behavior that needs to change, we usually focus all our attention on responding (or reacting!) to that behavior.

Actually, it is much more effective to focus on how to increase our children’s regulation, connection, and felt safety. This will ultimately result in fewer (or less severe) behaviors to respond to.

Strategies that Really Work

When the subtitle for my book was first suggested, I bristled. I did not want to be one person parenting ‘expert’ who was saying “Just do what I say and your kids’ behaviors will change.” 

I have no idea if you’ll be able to change your kids’ behaviors, so I felt like I couldn’t say “these strategies really work!!”

But, as time has gone on, the subtitle has grown on me.

If parents combine my three core tenets (understand the neurobiology, having a tool box full of tools that address the real problem, and focus on their own regulation) the brain-body-sensory strategies in the book really just might work!

The magic is in bringing all three pillars together. That’s how we get outta the constant game of behavior whack-a-mole.

Increase the Window of Stress Tolerance

Growing the Owl Brain will grow your child’s window of stress tolerance. That means they’ll be reacting to stressors less often and less intensely.

How to Strengthen the Owl Brain

I try to keep things simple and straightforward for y’all. We strengthen the owl brain by offering co-regulation, connection, and felt safety.

When we understand the neurobiology of behavior, we can easily come up with strategies to do all of those things. 

Felt safety comes from inside, outside, and between. So, we can increase felt safety with things like structure, predictability, and keeping blood sugar stable.

Co-regulation-based parenting is only possible when we have proximity to our children, so one strategy is to decrease the distance. 

Scaffolding is another strategy of co-regulation, which we previously discuss on THIS PODCAST episode.

We can also lean into body-based strategies, like bubble gum, summersaults, rocking, or squeezing as ways to help bring more regulation in your child’s body. 

Strategies that Really Work

The strategies I offer you in Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors have the potential to really work because they aren’t focused on the behavior, they are focused on the problem that is DRIVING the behavior- lack of regulation, or connection, or felt safety.

Responding to Behavior

Next week, we’ll talk about strategies that calm the watchdog and possum brains. Those are the strategies you can experiment with when responding to children’s challenging behavior in the moment.

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors released September 21. CLICK HERE to choose from a variety of pre-order bonuses, including a signed copy or 20% off.

Scaffolding Is A Form Of Co-regulation {EP 82}

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Behavior isn’t what most of us think.

So then- what is it?

What Behavior Really Is

Behavior is simply what we see on the outside that gives us some information about what’s happening on the inside.

Behavior is observable. It gives us a cue or a clue to start exploring the thoughts, feelings, sensations, behavioral impulses, felt safety, regulation, level of connection to self and others, and memory networks that are driving that behavior. 

I know that might sound complicated but it doesn’t have to be.

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Behavior Tells a Story

Observable behavior tells the story of the autonomic nervous system. 

It’s a little like a choose-your-own-adventure book. (I loved those as a kid. It turned one book into several!)

When making the choice, the brain is asking “Am I safe? In danger I might be able to get out of? Or in life threatening danger?”

If the answer is safe, the autonomic nervous system chooses what I call the owl pathway.

If the answer is dangerous, but I could probably get out of it if I tried, then the autonomic nervous system chooses what I call the watchdog pathway.

And if the answer is probably life threatening, then the autonomic nervous system chooses what I call the possum pathway.

Pathway = Behavior

Behavior is an expression of the pathway that’s chosen. When the owl pathway engages, we see owl pathway behaviors. Those behaviors tend to invite or welcome connection. Behaviors like cooperation, flexibility, impulse control, and empathy.

When the watchdog pathway engages, we see watchdog pathway behaviors. Opposition, defiance, aggression, anxiety, control, or fleeing.

When the possum pathway engages, we see possum pathways behaviors. La-la land, checking out, avoidance, not getting out of bed, dissociation. 

Understanding Behavior IS an Intervention

One of my missions is to make the neuroscience of behavior more accessible. I feel so strongly that mental health professionals should not be hoarding this information. This is why I’ve written my book, have The Club, and teach professionals (NOT just therapists) in Being With.

I know that it doesn’t always feel this way, and you want practical tools more than science, but I really truly promise.

Understanding the science is an intervention.

Changing how we see people changes people (including us).

Shifting beliefs about behavior is hard because we’ve been taught that bad behavior = bad person since we were babies. We have a lot of practice believing that!

That’s why I keep talking about. Over and over and over. So we can build new, strong neural pathways with our beliefs about behavior. The more repetition there is, the stronger the neural pathway.

A Different Kind of Book

I wanted to write a book that didn’t just give you parenting advice. There’s lots of books like that. I wanted to write a book that would change you.

Not because there is something wrong with you. There’s not.

But because I know you tune into this podcast because you feel bad a lot. You live with a dysregulated person, and you don’t know what to do. Or you help dysregulated people and get dysregulated yourself and don’t know what to do.

I set out to write a book that actually changes your neurobiology.

And how does neurobiology change? In safety, connection, and with co-regulation.

Co-Regulation? In a Book?

I wondered- could I offer those things in a meaningful way – like I did in therapy- in a book? So that millions of people could experience it for only what- 20 bucks? And 16 if you preorder through my publisher!

I can’t wait to hear from all of you if it does. It’ll take a while for us to really know. But the folks who read an advanced copy said it was like me being in their living room, drinking coffee, offering coregulation.

Doesn’t that sound wonderful?

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors released September 21. CLICK HERE to choose from a variety of pre-order bonuses, including a signed copy or 20% off. 

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As parents, we all want what’s best for our children. But when our parenting styles differ from our partner’s, it can create tension and confusion. This challenge is the focus of our latest podcast episode, “Parenting When Your Partner Is Not Onboard”

Categories of resistance

In this episode, we delve into the reasons behind resistance to paradigm shifts in parenting. We explore two categories of resistance that typically arise. The first is those who do not believe in the theory behind behavior. The second is those who get too dysregulated when dealing with certain behaviors. Understanding these resistance categories can help parents approach their differences with empathy and openness.

De-shaming behavior

To facilitate understanding, we discuss the Owl, Watchdog, and Possum metaphor, a tool that can help parents comprehend their own and their partner’s reactions to different behaviors. The metaphor serves as a non-threatening way to de-shame behavior and understand the role of the brain in parenting. This understanding can then pave the way for more effective communication and problem-solving.

A plan during dysregulation

Creating a support plan is a critical part of navigating parenting differences. This involves understanding when your partner’s “owl brain” has flown away, meaning they have become dysregulated, and stepping in to offer support. The use of code words or gestures can help signal this need for support, creating a safer and more nurturing environment for both parents and children.

Rupture and repair

Repair is another essential element in maintaining a healthy family dynamic. If one partner becomes dysregulated and reacts in a way that is not constructive, it’s important for them to make a repair with the child. This not only models responsibility and empathy for the child but also strengthens the bond between parent and child.

Different Parenting Philosophies

It’s crucial to remember that having different parenting philosophies does not mean your partnership can’t be successful or that you can’t create a nurturing environment for your children. It simply means that you may need to approach communication and problem-solving a bit differently.

Being curious and open to learn

We also highlight the importance of staying curious about your partner’s perspective and approach. Being open to learning from each other can create a more harmonious and effective parenting partnership. If your partner is unwilling to learn or engage in this process, it may indicate a deeper underlying issue within the relationship that needs addressing.

Understand, communicate, and support

In conclusion, navigating parenting differences can be challenging, but it is not insurmountable. With understanding, communication, and mutual support, parents can create a harmonious and nurturing environment for their children. Tune into our podcast for more insights and strategies to help you navigate these challenges and build a stronger relationship with your parenting partner.

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

Free resources: robyngobbel.com/freeresources

Book pre-order/order: robyngobbel.com/book

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Ever found yourself struggling to understand and support a child who simply doesn’t fit the mold? Dayna Abraham’s way to Calm the Chaos might be just what you’re looking for.  Dayna’s journey from being a sibling to a challenging brother, to teaching dysregulated kids, and then parenting a unique child herself, offers a wealth of wisdom and practical strategies. Dayna has taken everything she’s learned from supporting her son and now helps struggling families all around the world.

In this episode you’ll learn:

  • How Dayna’s personal experiences have led her to develop her Calm the Chaos framework for parents
  • The importance of seeing kids uniqueness as something to be celebrated, not changed
  • Why parents deserve exactly what our kids deserve- safety and connection and understanding

Resources mentioned in this podcast:
Lemon Lime Adventures
Calm the Chaos Book
Calm the Chaos Podcast

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Navigating the intricate journey of parenting a child with a vulnerable nervous system can often feel like maneuvering through a maze without a map. However, the complexity of this journey can be eased with an understanding of the delicate balance between enabling and co-regulation. This is a pivotal aspect that we delve into in our recent podcast episode, shedding light on the critical contrast often misconstrued in the mental health field.

Enabling vs. Co-Regulation

In this enlightening exploration, we debunk the term ‘enabling’ that carries a negative connotation in the mental health domain. We explain how the act of enabling, although it may seem like providing support, could inadvertently contribute to the continued maladaptive or pathological behavior in the child. However, the objective is not to vilify enabling but to contrast it with co-regulation, a process that encourages individuals to meet their own needs and achieve desired ends.

The Science of Lowering Demands

A key part of this discussion revolves around the science behind lowering demands. We examine how varying levels of demands can trigger different stress responses in children. An overactive, sensitized stress response system tends to respond significantly to even low amounts of stressors. To strengthen this system, the initial step is to reduce the stress, thereby lowering the demands to a level where the system can take a break. This strategy is instrumental in bolstering your child’s stress response system.

Hard vs. Too Hard

Understanding the difference between ‘hard’ and ‘too hard’ is an integral part of this journey. This is where the concept of attunement comes into play. Attunement, or being in tune with your child’s emotions and needs, plays a crucial role in making informed decisions for them. The ability to differentiate between decisions rooted in connection versus those rooted in protection is essential.

The Root of Enabling Behaviors

However, self-awareness doesn’t happen overnight. It requires a considerable amount of self-compassion and an exploration of how our personal past might shape our present behaviors. One common behavior is prioritizing others’ comfort over ours. This is where the roots of enabling and codependent behaviors lie. These behaviors stem from a nervous system in protection mode, while co-regulation comes from connection mode.

Non-Judgmental Observation

Finally, we emphasize the importance of non-judgmental observation of our own

behaviors. Noticing without changing is a vital part of this process. It involves bringing awareness to our actions without self-criticism. This self-attunement strengthens our ‘owl brain’ and moves us towards co-regulation instead of co-dependence.

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

Connection or Protection??? {7}

What to do after We Mess up {80}

Stress Response System {94}

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Ginger Healy is the Program Director for the Attachment and Trauma Network, co-host of the Regulated and Relational podcast, and author of Regulation and Co-Regulation: Accessible Neuroscience that Brings Calm into the Classroom. Ginger’s personal experiences as a mom and a social worker have shaped her approach to aiding families and children dealing with trauma and attachment issues. Her narrative gives a fresh perspective on building resilience in traumatized children.

Ginger’s life and work have been instrumental in the evolution of the Attachment and Trauma Network, a resource-rich organization offering invaluable services to families navigating childhood trauma. Understanding the power dynamics in trauma work, the significance of presence as a parent, and transitioning from traditional behavior plans to focusing on a child’s nervous system are just a few of the key topics covered.

Creating Safe Spaces

Creating safe spaces for children to heal, learn, and grow is critical. The role of adults in this process is underscored throughout the episode. Ginger takes us on a fascinating journey, highlighting the importance of a secure environment for a child’s recovery from trauma.

The Importance of Belonging

The discussion also hones in on practical strategies for educators and parents, exploring the power of buffer relationships in building resilience in children. The idea of ‘belonging’ is discussed as an essential component of a child’s well-being. Resources developed by the Attachment and Trauma Network to support educators in their challenging roles are also outlined.

Resources for Educators and Caregivers

As the conversation transitions into the resources offered by the Attachment and Trauma Network, the focus is on providing support to both educators and parents. The organization offers a plethora of resources, including professional development, webinars, and conferences. The network is committed to making resources accessible and free, which is integral in fostering an environment that encourages growth and healing.

Relationship is Everything

Lastly, the importance of improving teacher-student relationships is discussed. It emphasizes the need for educators to create a safe and conducive environment for students, especially those grappling with trauma. By making a paradigm shift in managing classroom behaviors and focusing on the child’s nervous system, educators can make a significant impact on a child’s learning and healing process. The practical strategies and resources highlighted throughout the episode underscore the invaluable work of the Attachment and Trauma Network in supporting educators and parents.

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

Regulation and Co-Regulation: Accessible Neuroscience that Brings Calm into the Classroom

The Attachment & Trauma Network

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What if I told you that there’s a revolutionary approach to parenting that’s shifting the traditional power dynamics and nurturing stronger relationships of trust and understanding? My latest conversation with Amanda Deakman, author of the groundbreaking book “Low Demand Parenting”, explores this very concept. Together, we tread into the challenging terrain of parenting children with highly sensitive nervous systems, sharing insightful strategies and breakthrough research work of Ross Green, Mona Delahooke, and Stuart Shanker.

What is Low Demand Parenting

We dive deep into the core ideas of Low Demand Parenting, discussing how to reshape the conventional power structures in parent-child relationships. We explore the concept of Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA), revealing a new perspective on children’s behavioral traits that demand conscious parenting. As we navigate through this enlightening conversation, we also address the trauma of parenting children with complex needs and stress the importance of a comprehensive support system for parents.

Post-Meltdown Plan for Parents’

As we wrap up our riveting exchange, Amanda shares a unique post-meltdown plan aimed at supporting parents during challenging times. We delve into the idea of creating an environment of radical acceptance and trust, helping parents to move away from traditional notions of a ‘good parent’. Rounding off our conversation, we underscore the essential role of viewing children through their nervous system’s lens and the need to spread awareness about nervous system healing. So, buckle up and get ready for an intense paradigm shift that challenges the conventional norms of parenting. Join us as we embark on this enlightening journey of Low Demand Parenting.

Resources Mentioned on the Podcast

  • Low Demand Parenting- Released July 21, 2023
  • https://us.jkp.com/products/lowdemand-parenting?_pos=1&_sid=b80ccd227&_ss=r
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Find Amanda on Instagram: @LowDemandAmanda

https://www.amandadiekman.net/

Post Meltdown Plan for Parents on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/Ctgv-B1OjtE/

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