Robyn shares her personal journey with strengthening her own psychological boundaries.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Robyn’s experience as a client in a therapy setting
  • Allowing others to have their own emotional journeys without interfering
  • Caring for your watchdog and possum brains with your owl brain
  • The title for Robyn’s book coming out September 2023!!! Pre-order HERE

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Being With Directory: RobynGobbel.com/BeingWithDirectory

Parent Course Directory: RobynGobbel.com/ParentCourseDirectory

The Club: RobynGobbel.com/TheClub

Podcast with Juliane Taylor Shore: https://robyngobbel.com/boundaries3/

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My four-year-old is relentless in their demand for constant attention. But especially when I’m doing something like checking a text message, watching something on my phone, or talking to someone else- even just their dad! If I don’t pay attention immediately, he freaks out. How do I get this under control?

In this episode, I:

  • Reassure you that the need for connection is totally normal!
  • Describe the neurobiology processes that make a lack of connection feel like danger
  • Recommend resources for how to help your child be able to tolerate disconnection

Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

Additional Resources:

Scaffolding Podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/scaffolding

Bottomless Pit podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/bottomlesspit

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Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.
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Juliane Taylor Shore is the founder of IPNB Austin- a therapy practice in Austin, TX. She sees clients and trains other therapists from the foundation of interpersonal neurobiology and relational neuroscience- which is the foundation of this podcast. You can also find Jules at www.ClearIsKind.com where she explores how to work with the brain so you can feel more solid and protected in yourself through boundary work. 

As a couples and adult therapist, Juliane talks a lot about boundaries in the context of adult relationships. But I have known for years that the way she works with boundaries has huge implications for the parents I work with.

So often when folks talk about having boundaries, the conversation ends with kinda the nuclear option- if you don’t respect my boundaries, I’m ending this relationship.

But, what about when we have relationships with folks who aren’t respecting our boundaries and we also can’t end the relationship?

If you’ve listened to the first two parts of this three part series on boundaries, then you know that boundaries are not about our attempt to control another person. Instead, boundaries are about how we will respond when the expectations of our relationship aren’t followed. And boundaries for our children are also about creating the containment and structure they need to feel safe in the moment while also providing the safety and regulation they need for continued development.

But what about when what your child says or does is hurtful!?!? Like when they are verbally aggressive? 

I brought Jules here specifically to talk about the parenting relationship- where not only can you not create that distance but our kids actually need us to stay close, to keep offering connection, safety, and co-regulation.

(Please also hear so clearly that in this episode we are talking uniquely about the parent child relationship dynamics.

If you are in an adult mutual relationship with someone who struggles to regulate their behavior and it comes out through verbal attacks, lying, manipulation- you can stand solidly in the truth that it’s not true, not about you, and take steps to create the distance you need in that relationship so you can experience the respect, connection, and mutuality you deserve.

Note: This episode is also not addressing physical boundaries. If you are parenting a child who is regularly physically aggressive or dangerous, psychological boundaries are helpful but not enough. I know that if you are parenting a child who is physically aggressive or dangerous you need help. This episode is not about physically dangerous behavior.)

So, Why Boundaries?

Psychological boundaries, where you put a little space between your mind and another person’s mind, empowers you to perceive safety. Although the brain is much more complicated than this, for now, think of it in basically two states: a more integrated state, and a less integrated state. 

Integration means all these neural networks are firing, doing their own thing, processing their own stuff, and they’re cross-sharing information with each other. The more that’s happening, the more nuance is available, the more creativity is available, and the more self-soothing is possible. Less integration is preferable when we are actually in danger because who has time for cross-sharing information and nuance when we are focused on survival or not getting physically hurt?

Verbal aggression being hurled at us by our kids can bring up a lot of pain, but it’s not actually dangerous.

Boundaries add internal protection, so you can be a little bit more empowered to increase your perception of safety, regardless of what is happening around you. As you have better and better psychological boundaries, you can feel less hurt by your child’s insults, hard words, or cursing. As you protect yourself, you can actually support your brain in being able to enter a state where more creative and nuanced responses are possible.

True? Or not True? About me? Or not about me?

Asking these questions is just one of the ways Jules’ helps us think about strengthening our psychological boundaries, discerning if we are going to let in someone else’s thoughts, behaviors or words.

And y’all, this is HARD. I really hope you’ll listen to the full episode or read the transcript so you can take in EVERYTHING Jules has to say about boundaries…because it is life-changing. 

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Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.
Just let me know where to send the links!


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I’ve been listening for a while and the watchdog and possum brain ideas have really helped me. Is it OK to teach this to my kids too? I’m worried they’ll start using it as excuses.

I get this question all the time! If we teach our kids about the watchdog and possum brain are they going to start saying things like “My watchdog brain made me hit my sister!”

In this episode, I:

  • Outline the benefits of teaching our kids about their brain (there are lots)
  • Teach you what to do if your child uses it as an excuse
  • Recommend resources for how to teach your child about their brain

Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

Additional Resources:

Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior Podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/changebehavior

Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior FREE Webinar: https://robyngobbel.com/webinar

The START HERE podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/starthere


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This episode is part 2 in a series about Boundaries with Connection. Part 1 helped us look at what it really means to have rules and then to uphold or enforce your boundaries- landing solidly on the unfortunate reality the boundaries have absolutely nothing to do with controlling or changing someone else’s behavior.

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Boundaries as Safety and Containment

In Part 2, we are exploring boundaries not as something we do, but something that our kids have and can rest into, like the proverbial fence or container that creates structure and safety and organization.

We instinctively provide this for toddlers by keeping them in line of sight, especially if we are in an environment that hasn’t been toddler proofed. We put up baby gates, cover door knobs, insert outlet covers. We don’t drop toddlers off at the park and tell them we’ll be back.

This isn’t because we don’t trust them.

It’s not a consequence.

It’s what they need developmentally in order to be safe.

Boundaries not only keep our children physically safe, they also support emotional safety.

Safety from a nervous system perspective means the part of the nervous system that supports repair and growth can be in charge. Toddlers develop the skills and the regulation for the toddler proofing to slowly decrease as their brain develops- which happens most effectively with felt safety, connection, and co-regulation.

Ultimately the exact same thing is true for our bigger kids. Maybe we even need to keep them in line of sight in situations that we haven’t completely kid or teen-proofed for them.

All kids, really all people, need boundaries (containment and structure) that offers the safety they need to not only be safe in that moment but also to have the safety that encourages continued development.

And sometimes this way of parenting with connection, coregulation, and felt-safety can feel synonymous with having pretty loose boundaries. But actually, in practice, this way of parenting means we often have more boundaries, especially when compared to other families who have kids with a similar chronological age to our kids.

What does my child need for their success to be inevitable?

It’s very possible they need to be much physically closer to you- or another regulated adult.

Perhaps they can’t ride the bus to school.

Perhaps they can’t walk or ride their bike to or from school.

Perhaps they can’t get dropped off at the mall or a birthday party.

Perhaps they need continued co-regulation during the morning routine, meaning you have to be completely ready to go when they wake up.

Perhaps they need an aid to walk through class to class. To greet them when they are dropped off at school. Then walk them to the car pick up line when school is over.

In the 11th grade.

We’ve talked about how self regulation is really just internalized co-regulation.

Your child might need really tight boundaries and a small circle in order to get the experiences of coregulation they need.

When kids are regulated, connected, and feeling safe, their owl brain has the opportunity to be in charge and they are most likely to behave in ways that are safe and support connection and relationships.

Sometimes we realize kids need higher boundaries after they’ve been unsuccessful.

It’s tricky to have to tighten up boundaries after a situation didn’t go well, because it will almost certainly seem like a punishment. And feeling like a tightened up boundary is a punishment will almost always ignite either anger or shame.  Watchdog or possum.

I know this is really hard, but your child gets to have whatever reaction they want.

When our children express righteous grief or anger or dysregulation about boundaries (that aren’t delivered as punishments) our job is to do what we always do:

Coregulation. Connection. Safety. Validation. Boundaries.

What if what your child needs for success is impossible, or doesn’t even exist?

It’s still a good thought experiment because it helps us reframe the behavior through the lens of regulation, connection, felt safety and boundaries, and it could lead to some other creative idea.

In episode 3, I’ve invited a special guest, Juliane Taylor Shore to talk about energetic and psychological boundaries specific to parenting kids who have really dysregulated behaviors and who may say or do really hurtful things. 

To hear more or get a deeper understanding, check out the full podcast episode:

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“I’m so confused about the RAD diagnosis. My son’s therapist suggested it but everything I read online is scary and hopeless. Help!”

When parents get a diagnosis of RAD (or it even gets suggested!) they head straight to Google.

What they find is terrifying!

That’s the problem with RAD as a diagnosis!

In this episode, I give a new framework for considering what’s underneath the behavioral symptoms that lead to a diagnosis of RAD- and why this reframe is crucial to treatment.

Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

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Additional Resources

Brilliance of Attachment eBook by Robyn Gobbel

Developmental Trauma Close Up by Beacon House (this is an EXCELLENT resource on Developmental Trauma)

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As we transition to thinking about behavior as simply an externalization of inner experience, and we get better and better at looking at what’s underneath the behavior, and considering the regulation, connection and the felt safety that’s under the behavior, sometimes we get the feeling that we aren’t paying attention to the actual behavior at all. 

And then that gives us the feeling (and sometimes it becomes the reality) that we are parenting in a way that feels really boundaryless and permissive. Permissive parenting is not good for us. It’s not good for our kids’ experience of felt safety. 

The reality is that this way of parenting–parenting with this level of connection and  coregulation, with a focus on felt safety, actually tends to have more boundaries and higher boundaries. 

Boundary does not mean punishments and rewards.

The dominant paradigm in our culture is that the way to change behavior is with punishment and reward, so it’s no wonder that many of us have some confusion about what boundary really means. Oftentimes when people say they “set a boundary” that’s really just code for “give a punishment.” Sometimes, when we say “set a boundary” we mean “enforce a rule.” 

In fact, with all this confusion, knowing the difference between a boundary, a rule and a punishment is kind of tricky! So what do each of these mean?

Rules are a set of guidelines that help us know what is an expected and acceptable behavior.

Punishments are something that we do with the intention of causing somebody enough pain or enough discomfort that they modify that behavior to avoid that pain in the future.

Boundaries are about ME

Boundaries are not about my attempt to control anyone else’s behavior. They’re about what I will or will not tolerate in relationship and how I will respond if the expectations of our relationship aren’t followed.

Example: If the rule is we talk to each other respectfully, my boundary might be that I take a break from the conversation if you aren’t talking to me respectfully.

Now, I know you are asking yourself- but what do I do if my child violates that boundary or breaks a rule. Next week we’ll look at how one of jobs as a parent is to create an environment that sets our kids up for success.  It often means we need to increase the scaffolding and co-regulation. We actually commonly refer to this as boundaries, too. I think of this more like if boundaries were a noun. Like- a fence is a boundary. A container is a boundary. Containers create safety that allow our kids to be successful. That’s the kind of boundaries we’ll talk about next week.

But what about when our kids have behaviors that violate our boundaries yet we absolutely do not have the power to change their behavior? Like verbal aggression, or repeated, obsessively asking for something- not taking no for an answer. In a couple weeks, Julianne Taylor Shore will talk to us about how to strengthen our energetic and psychological boundaries, particularly when our kids are violating our boundary about how they treat us- so that we can stay regulated enough to offer our kids the co-regulation, felt safety, and connection they need for their watchdog and possum brain to stay safe and their owl brain to have the opportunity to return. 

Once their owl brain has returned, I can then decide if there are things I need to put into place to help my child’s success be inevitable in the future.

Do they need more co-regulation?

More structure?

More support?

Next week- set our kids up for success by increasing connection, co-regulation, structure and scaffolding.

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This blog is a short summary of a longer episode on the Parenting after Trauma podcast.
Find the Parenting after Trauma podcast on Apple Podcast, Google, Spotify, or in your favorite podcast app.
Or, you can read the entire transcript of the episode by scrolling down and clicking ‘transcript.’

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.
Just let me know where to send the links!


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“Sometimes it feels like my child escalates and gets physical or has a tantrum- almost on purpose. Like- they want to get out of control. Is this possible?”

It’s totally possible, but it’s not because they are manipulative or because they don’t want to feel better.

Let me help this behavior make more sense to you so you can stay more regulated and present for your child during this baffling behavior.

Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

Listen on the Podcast

This blog is a short summary of a longer episode on the Parenting after Trauma podcast.
Find the Parenting after Trauma podcast on Apple Podcast, Google, Spotify, or in your favorite podcast app.
Or, you can read the entire transcript of the episode by scrolling down and clicking ‘transcript.’

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.
Just let me know where to send the links!