Robyn shares her personal journey with strengthening her own psychological boundaries.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Robyn’s experience as a client in a therapy setting
  • Allowing others to have their own emotional journeys without interfering
  • Caring for your watchdog and possum brains with your owl brain
  • The title for Robyn’s book coming out September 2023!!! Pre-order HERE

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Being With Directory: RobynGobbel.com/BeingWithDirectory

Parent Course Directory: RobynGobbel.com/ParentCourseDirectory

The Club: RobynGobbel.com/TheClub

Podcast with Juliane Taylor Shore: https://robyngobbel.com/boundaries3/

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    My four-year-old is relentless in their demand for constant attention. But especially when I’m doing something like checking a text message, watching something on my phone, or talking to someone else- even just their dad! If I don’t pay attention immediately, he freaks out. How do I get this under control?

    In this episode, I:

    • Reassure you that the need for connection is totally normal!
    • Describe the neurobiology processes that make a lack of connection feel like danger
    • Recommend resources for how to help your child be able to tolerate disconnection

    Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

    Additional Resources:

    Scaffolding Podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/scaffolding

    Bottomless Pit podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/bottomlesspit

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      I’ve been listening for a while and the watchdog and possum brain ideas have really helped me. Is it OK to teach this to my kids too? I’m worried they’ll start using it as excuses.

      I get this question all the time! If we teach our kids about the watchdog and possum brain are they going to start saying things like “My watchdog brain made me hit my sister!”

      In this episode, I:

      • Outline the benefits of teaching our kids about their brain (there are lots)
      • Teach you what to do if your child uses it as an excuse
      • Recommend resources for how to teach your child about their brain

      Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

      Additional Resources:

      Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior Podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/changebehavior

      Focus on the Nervous System to Change Behavior FREE Webinar: https://robyngobbel.com/webinar

      The START HERE podcast: https://robyngobbel.com/starthere

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        This episode is part 2 in a series about Boundaries with Connection. Part 1 helped us look at what it really means to have rules and then to uphold or enforce your boundaries- landing solidly on the unfortunate reality the boundaries have absolutely nothing to do with controlling or changing someone else’s behavior.

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        Boundaries as Safety and Containment

        In Part 2, we are exploring boundaries not as something we do, but something that our kids have and can rest into, like the proverbial fence or container that creates structure and safety and organization.

        We instinctively provide this for toddlers by keeping them in line of sight, especially if we are in an environment that hasn’t been toddler proofed. We put up baby gates, cover door knobs, insert outlet covers. We don’t drop toddlers off at the park and tell them we’ll be back.

        This isn’t because we don’t trust them.

        It’s not a consequence.

        It’s what they need developmentally in order to be safe.

        Boundaries not only keep our children physically safe, they also support emotional safety.

        Safety from a nervous system perspective means the part of the nervous system that supports repair and growth can be in charge. Toddlers develop the skills and the regulation for the toddler proofing to slowly decrease as their brain develops- which happens most effectively with felt safety, connection, and co-regulation.

        Ultimately the exact same thing is true for our bigger kids. Maybe we even need to keep them in line of sight in situations that we haven’t completely kid or teen-proofed for them.

        All kids, really all people, need boundaries (containment and structure) that offers the safety they need to not only be safe in that moment but also to have the safety that encourages continued development.

        And sometimes this way of parenting with connection, coregulation, and felt-safety can feel synonymous with having pretty loose boundaries. But actually, in practice, this way of parenting means we often have more boundaries, especially when compared to other families who have kids with a similar chronological age to our kids.

        What does my child need for their success to be inevitable?

        It’s very possible they need to be much physically closer to you- or another regulated adult.

        Perhaps they can’t ride the bus to school.

        Perhaps they can’t walk or ride their bike to or from school.

        Perhaps they can’t get dropped off at the mall or a birthday party.

        Perhaps they need continued co-regulation during the morning routine, meaning you have to be completely ready to go when they wake up.

        Perhaps they need an aid to walk through class to class. To greet them when they are dropped off at school. Then walk them to the car pick up line when school is over.

        In the 11th grade.

        We’ve talked about how self regulation is really just internalized co-regulation.

        Your child might need really tight boundaries and a small circle in order to get the experiences of coregulation they need.

        When kids are regulated, connected, and feeling safe, their owl brain has the opportunity to be in charge and they are most likely to behave in ways that are safe and support connection and relationships.

        Sometimes we realize kids need higher boundaries after they’ve been unsuccessful.

        It’s tricky to have to tighten up boundaries after a situation didn’t go well, because it will almost certainly seem like a punishment. And feeling like a tightened up boundary is a punishment will almost always ignite either anger or shame.  Watchdog or possum.

        I know this is really hard, but your child gets to have whatever reaction they want.

        When our children express righteous grief or anger or dysregulation about boundaries (that aren’t delivered as punishments) our job is to do what we always do:

        Coregulation. Connection. Safety. Validation. Boundaries.

        What if what your child needs for success is impossible, or doesn’t even exist?

        It’s still a good thought experiment because it helps us reframe the behavior through the lens of regulation, connection, felt safety and boundaries, and it could lead to some other creative idea.

        In episode 3, I’ve invited a special guest, Juliane Taylor Shore to talk about energetic and psychological boundaries specific to parenting kids who have really dysregulated behaviors and who may say or do really hurtful things. 

        To hear more or get a deeper understanding, check out the full podcast episode:

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          “I’m so confused about the RAD diagnosis. My son’s therapist suggested it but everything I read online is scary and hopeless. Help!”

          When parents get a diagnosis of RAD (or it even gets suggested!) they head straight to Google.

          What they find is terrifying!

          That’s the problem with RAD as a diagnosis!

          In this episode, I give a new framework for considering what’s underneath the behavioral symptoms that lead to a diagnosis of RAD- and why this reframe is crucial to treatment.

          Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

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          Additional Resources

          Brilliance of Attachment eBook by Robyn Gobbel

          Developmental Trauma Close Up by Beacon House (this is an EXCELLENT resource on Developmental Trauma)

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            As we transition to thinking about behavior as simply an externalization of inner experience, and we get better and better at looking at what’s underneath the behavior, and considering the regulation, connection and the felt safety that’s under the behavior, sometimes we get the feeling that we aren’t paying attention to the actual behavior at all. 

            And then that gives us the feeling (and sometimes it becomes the reality) that we are parenting in a way that feels really boundaryless and permissive. Permissive parenting is not good for us. It’s not good for our kids’ experience of felt safety. 

            The reality is that this way of parenting–parenting with this level of connection and  coregulation, with a focus on felt safety, actually tends to have more boundaries and higher boundaries. 

            Boundary does not mean punishments and rewards.

            The dominant paradigm in our culture is that the way to change behavior is with punishment and reward, so it’s no wonder that many of us have some confusion about what boundary really means. Oftentimes when people say they “set a boundary” that’s really just code for “give a punishment.” Sometimes, when we say “set a boundary” we mean “enforce a rule.” 

            In fact, with all this confusion, knowing the difference between a boundary, a rule and a punishment is kind of tricky! So what do each of these mean?

            Rules are a set of guidelines that help us know what is an expected and acceptable behavior.

            Punishments are something that we do with the intention of causing somebody enough pain or enough discomfort that they modify that behavior to avoid that pain in the future.

            Boundaries are about ME

            Boundaries are not about my attempt to control anyone else’s behavior. They’re about what I will or will not tolerate in relationship and how I will respond if the expectations of our relationship aren’t followed.

            Example: If the rule is we talk to each other respectfully, my boundary might be that I take a break from the conversation if you aren’t talking to me respectfully.

            Now, I know you are asking yourself- but what do I do if my child violates that boundary or breaks a rule. Next week we’ll look at how one of jobs as a parent is to create an environment that sets our kids up for success.  It often means we need to increase the scaffolding and co-regulation. We actually commonly refer to this as boundaries, too. I think of this more like if boundaries were a noun. Like- a fence is a boundary. A container is a boundary. Containers create safety that allow our kids to be successful. That’s the kind of boundaries we’ll talk about next week.

            But what about when our kids have behaviors that violate our boundaries yet we absolutely do not have the power to change their behavior? Like verbal aggression, or repeated, obsessively asking for something- not taking no for an answer. In a couple weeks, Julianne Taylor Shore will talk to us about how to strengthen our energetic and psychological boundaries, particularly when our kids are violating our boundary about how they treat us- so that we can stay regulated enough to offer our kids the co-regulation, felt safety, and connection they need for their watchdog and possum brain to stay safe and their owl brain to have the opportunity to return. 

            Once their owl brain has returned, I can then decide if there are things I need to put into place to help my child’s success be inevitable in the future.

            Do they need more co-regulation?

            More structure?

            More support?

            Next week- set our kids up for success by increasing connection, co-regulation, structure and scaffolding.

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              “Sometimes it feels like my child escalates and gets physical or has a tantrum- almost on purpose. Like- they want to get out of control. Is this possible?”

              It’s totally possible, but it’s not because they are manipulative or because they don’t want to feel better.

              Let me help this behavior make more sense to you so you can stay more regulated and present for your child during this baffling behavior.

              Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!  I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

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                Obviously, one of my passions in life is understanding behavior, but I’ve learned that not everyone is as interested in understanding what’s driving behavior. In fact, a lot of people have shared their fears with me that explaining behavior is just excusing it. So, I wanted to devote an episode on the podcast to exploring the reasons for understanding behavior (as well as some of the fears). 

                Why is it Important to Understand Behavior?

                1. We can actually solve the real problem.
                2. It  invites compassion, which moves us into Connection Brain which is what invites integration and change.

                Why do we avoid understanding behavior?

                In the podcast, I discuss a few of the reasons people find it hard to invest in understanding behavior. The overarching cause is a nervous system in protection mode. When we are in protection mode we really aren’t curious about what’s underneath behavior. Staying in protection mode causes us to seek a false sense of safety by asserting power and control over another’s behavior. 

                If I stay in a power-over position and use my power to change someone else’s behavior, then I can disregard what is driving the behavior.

                And the behavior may even change.

                But this is not without great cost.

                Curiosity, Compassion, and Connection

                If we really are invested in helping people feel better- and not just in being in a position of enough power to force someone else’s behavior change- then it’s a relief to learn that committing to understanding behavior invites our brains into states of curiosity and compassion.

                And guess what? Compassion is the hallmark of a nervous system that is open to change.

                We actually know what changes neural networks– a nervous system that is in Connection Mode.

                Yup. Curiosity and compassion are literally a part of the formula for creating the circumstances that invite true change in the brain….and changes in behavior.

                If I want to help a child’s nervous system feel regulated, connected and safe so that they have behaviors that support their connection with others, then I have to have some idea about what’s driving that behavior.

                What about Boundaries?

                Seeing beneath behavior does not mean we just accept “bad” behavior, have no boundaries and no control. Seeing beneath behavior does not mean we are excusing behavior!

                Compassion actually allows us to set way better boundaries. Boundaries that are much more likely to be respected. Boundaries that we are much more likely to enforce.

                Now without question we might have a little confusion over what the word boundaries means. 

                Boundaries are not about being in a power-up position that allows me to control and manipulate someone else’s behavior. 

                We’re going to spend the month of February exploring boundaries- particularly how we have boundaries with kids with very dysregulated behaviors- so for now I’ll just say that compassionate boundaries are much stronger and more powerful than punishment and power-over attempts to manipulate someone else’s behavior.

                Compassionate boundaries allow connected relationships to flourish in safety.

                Understanding behavior leads to compassion which leads to compassionate boundaries.

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                  It’s Me! Hi!

                  On this episode of the podcast, I’m back behind the microphone after sharing a few weeks of replays of some of my most popular episodes during the holiday break. You can find those recently replayed episodes in your favorite podcast app!

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                  Connection

                  I wanted to sink back into the relational space with you all by sharing some reflections on all the goodness and intensity of 2022, celebrating this community of parents, helpers, and healers, and looking forward to what’s coming in the year ahead on the podcast and more. My hope is that this helps the very practical, tangible tools and things that I offer you be even more dynamic, even more relevant, and even more useful to you because they are embedded inside this relational experience that you and I have. 

                  Reflection

                  You’ll hear about the deeply impactful experiences in Being With, the year-long immersive parent coaching program I launched in 2022, plus I’m thrilled to announce the addition of the directory of professionals who completed the program!! 

                  I share some fun and exciting news about my upcoming book!!!

                  You’ll learn about what’s been happening in The Club, the online parent community I cherish. 

                  Speaking of community, wait until you hear about the number of downloads on the podcast. Listeners, you all are NOT ALONE. 

                  You’ll also hear about the most vulnerable thing I did in my business in 2022. Hint: It happened on the podcast! 

                  Looking ahead

                  Plus, I share what’s coming in 2023 on the podcast, in Being With, in The Club, travel and speaking engagements and more ways for us to connect this year.

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                    Chaitra Wirta-Leiker is a licensed psychologist, international/transracial adoptee of color, and an adoptive parent who specializes in providing mental health support focused on adoption, trauma, and racial identity work. She is the author of the Adoptees Like Me adoption book series for young readers and journals for adult adoptees and caregivers.

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                    I asked Dr. Wirta-Leiker to come on the podcast to discuss the first  book in her Adoptees Like Me series, Marie Discovers Her Superpowers.

                    Dr. Wirta-Leiker’s approach to storytelling demystifies the therapy experience for the young adoptee and provides a roadmap for parents, therapists, and professionals supporting adoptees. But, this book isn’t just for those connected to adoption. The themes in this book are for everyone.

                    We all get to decide how we want our stories to be shared

                    This is true for everyone, and especially for adoptees who are often asked well-meaning but intrusive questions about traumatic circumstances. In Marie Discovers Her Superpowers, Dr. Chaitra Wirta-Leiker empowers children to own their stories and be the boss of how they choose to respond or not respond to people’s adoption questions, demonstrating that they have many options and ways of approaching these questions. Even if you are not connected to adoption, you’ll learn some valuable tools for how to be the boss of your own story.

                    The powerful connection of finding an adoptee therapist

                    Dr. Wirta-Leiker and I discuss the indescribable mirroring that adoptees like her character, Marie, experience when they connect with a therapist who is also an adoptee. Imagine the energy that doesn’t have to be used to describe this unique-to-adoptees life experience. The bond that’s created in that moment of learning your therapist is also an adoptee, that sense of felt safety to be with a grown up adoptee is so powerful and deeply resonant, in fact, she has created a National Adoptee Therapist Directory to help more adoptees find this therapeutic connection. 

                    Dr. Wirta-Leiker also shares some tips on how to find a therapist when an adoptee therapist is not accessible. You can find a resource on her blog that offers screening questions when seeking an adoption-competent therapist. 

                    To hear what Dr. Wirta-Leiker recommends to look for in a therapist and to hear our conversation, head to the podcast or download the transcript. 

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