If I’m not fully committed to the process of unfolding, to solidly standing in “I wonder what is going to happen next” with a deep willingness to go where my client needs to go, I will inevitably slip into a state of fear when the next moment doesn’t go as I wanted or expected.

This slip into fear will pull me out of embodied integration, out of ventral vagal, out of social engagement. And now connection and safety are gone because my client no longer has access to my ventral vagal state as a soft place to land.

The beacon has gone out.

When we are afraid of what’s unfolding our system will move toward rigidity (agenda, judgment) or chaos. This could be such a small shift that we aren’t even aware of it…but neuroceptively our clients become aware.

Afraid that we don’t know what to do.  Afraid that we aren’t a good therapist after all.  Afraid of what their parents (or the insurance company or our boss or whoever) will think.  Afraid that without a protocol, you lose the containment in the session.  Afraid of the space of “I don’t know what is going to happen next.”  Afraid that without our client’s validating that we are good, that maybe we really aren’t.

Be fiercely committed to the process of self-knowing.

Be fiercely committed to the practice of staying in curiosity. Be fiercely committed to the belief that the client will go exactly where they need to go. They simply need you to go with.

Stay on their path.

Robyn

When we are with our people- our children, our clients, without judgment and without agenda, we are offering them a space within which their neurobiology could take a step toward integration.  To be so present with someone that we can be patiently curious about what is going to arise in the next moment is the essence of the therapeutic experience.  The moment I experience a sense that what I need to have happen…whether that be because I’m following a protocol, or I’m feeling the desperation of a parent for me to fix their child, or I’m having a very normal moment of therapist vulnerability and I need my client to prove my worth, or any number of other reasons why I leave the present moment of curiosity and move into one with agenda and judgment….is the moment my client is once again left alone with their pain, sadness, and loneliness.

Cultivating this presence of stillness while still being ‘dynamically awake’ (Bonnie Badenoch) is a practice that requires care, attention, and diligence.  It’s a practice of experiencing someone else’s full non-judgmental and agenda-less presence.  It’s a practice in mindful awareness so that I can begin to track the felt-sense in my body as I move into agenda.  It’s a practice in humility as I welcome the unknown.

Connection and safety are not left-brained constructs that we answer with a logical check of the facts.

Connection and safety emerge out of the presence and curiosity…the commitment to staying fully present and embodied with ourselves and our clients.

Based on the work of Bonnie Badenoch, Stephen Porges, Ian McGilchrist…

Robyn

I’ve discovered over the years that the story of my play therapy journey is not unique. I first danced with the identity of play therapist early in my career- fresh into the field with my master’s degree training (which included a course in play therapy) and a handful of CEs. I was working pretty exclusively with children with what we would now call developmental or complex trauma- back then, we just had the diagnosis of RAD as a framework for treatment planning, case conceptualization, and intervention.

I was really struggling with using my play therapy skills with that population. Uncertain about my theory or my skills- maybe I was just a bad therapist!!!- I found a mentor who specialized in the same population (oh bless you, Steve Terrell and your willingness to take on my fumbling and exploring- you changed the trajectory of my career) and he helped me see the need to expand beyond the play therapy skills I had in my tool box. I jumped into trauma trainings- including EMDR and somatic experiencing. I immersed myself in attachment theory and later, Interpersonal Neurobiology. I continued to engage in play therapy trainings along the way, but primarily focused my educational pursuits outside the field of play therapy. But obviously, I was indeed PLAYING with children and definitely, play was the primary intervention.

However, I was coming into my identity as a little bit different kind of play therapist. I discovered right away that I could not keep a child-led play therapy office. It was DESTROYED and also- just didn’t feel right. There were moments where I felt whip-lashed by a tornado of chaotic energy and couldn’t figure out how to help. It was like watching someone flail in dark waters, terrified of drowning, and having no skills to help or even a life jacket to toss their way. Just like a drowning individual cannot be expected to use their “self-organizing drive toward healing” (which does in fact exist in ALL OF US) I couldn’t expect that from these children. I can now articulate that the children in my office were not neurodevelopmentally ready for toy-based play. They certainly hadn’t progressed to symbolic or metaphor-based play. Regardless of age, their neurodevelopment simply lagged far behind due to the severity of the abuse and neglect they experienced. They needed highly engaged, highly sensory, and highly relational experiences for containment and coregulation.

But I didn’t really understand WHY this was true. Why wasn’t child-centered play therapy ‘enough.’ Was I doing it wrong (totally possible)??

Along the way, I stumbled across the works of Bruce Perry, Bessel van der Kolk, Daniel Siegel, and my now mentor, Bonnie Badenoch. There was certainly a common thread- the RELATIONSHIP is the primary healing agent in all therapies, and completely non-negotiable for children with relational trauma in their history. But these weren’t play therapists. So I integrated what I was learning about trauma, attachment, and engaging the body in the therapy room. I listened to experts in the field of attachment trauma about the importance of involving families in the therapeutic experience. And sure enough, the kids I was treating were in fact getting better.

A few years ago, I came back around to feeling the pull toward the field of play therapy. Play therapy is so inherently body-based, so inherently right-brained, so inherently ‘beyond words.’ Neuroscience is now so clear about how play in and of itself is healing to the traumatized nervous system, as well as a trait of a healthy nervous system (Panskepp, Porges, and others….). Plus- I was seeing a troubling theme in families feeling as though therapy with a play therapist wasn’t effective for their child with complex trauma. Many of my clients were coming to me after previously engaging with another therapist- GOOD therapists- but often a more traditional child-centered play therapist. They complained of feeling excluded from the process and little to no progress being made. They were floundering, didn’t know how to parent their child with what felt like extremely bizarre behaviors, and like failures as parents because traditional parenting strategies were not working. But there are so so so many fantastic play therapists out there, and play is the absolute more PERFECT intervention for children with complex trauma. I had to figure this out.

I dove harder into finishing my Registered Play Therapist credential. I had already accumulated about 2/3 of the educational requirements but needed to finish them up. I also needed to find a great supervisor- one who could support my curiosity and interest in practicing just a little bit differently from a traditional play therapist. Luckily, that person lives right here in Austin (Marshall Lyles– the world’s greatest play therapist and supervisor).

Finally, I began to get closer to clearly articulating my approach to play therapy and the WHY behind my approach, and I discovered that where my instincts were leading me is wildly supported by research.

The brain develops sequentially- in order- from the bottom-up. Children with complex trauma, including abuse and neglect, are impacted in the very lowest parts of their brain. The lack of attunement and presence in their earliest moments has left them without a sense of self- who they are. They feel disorganized, chaotic, and empty. They don’t invite us into relationship and often times it doesn’t feel good to be with them. Thus, they continue to re-enact their trauma of abandonment and aloneness by pushing people away and making it feel as though they don’t even want relationship (they do- promise).

Bruce Perry’s work taught us that the lowest parts of the brain need rhythmic, repetitive, relational, and somatosensory experiences in order to organize and heal. Dr. Perry is able to bring together the truth that RELATIONSHIP and following the child’s lead is non-negotiable (play therapists are good at this!!), yet we can do those things while still being strategic about the types of experiences we offer to the child in order to best support their underdeveloped brainstem. He helped me conceptualize why these precious children would destroy my room and spin in their own trauma and disorganization.

Bessel van der Kolk taught us that we MUST incorporate the body into trauma treatment. We can no longer divorce the brain from the body in any psychotherapy, especially not trauma work.

Studying some of the experts in the occupational therapy field helped me weave together why the sensory deprivation that is inherent with trauma, abuse, and neglect in early childhood is directly related to the attachment cycle- and a way to strengthen attachment is to engage, soothe, and heal the body. The sensory experiences in infancy- combined with the presence of an attuned caregiver- weave together who we are. Literally. Without those experiences, we are chaotic, disorganized, confusing, and almost impossible to engage in relationship.

And immersing myself into Daniel Siegel’s then emerging field of Interpersonal Neurobiology, ultimately studying intensely with my now mentor Bonnie Badenoch, helped me pull all these pieces together. The relational neurosciences are the best we have right now at defining abstract concepts like presence, attunement, and resonance. My work with Bonnie- who is just a genius in curating and bringing together diverse sciences and ideas- has helped me embody these ways of being. She has taught me WHY that lack of presence in early infancy is impacting the children so profoundly, and why it’s not enough to just SAY ‘the relationship is the healing agent’ but to really dive in and figure out how to BE relationally in the therapy space in a way these children need. And that this isn’t something I can learn from a book. I learned it…and continue to learn it….from engaging relationally with others- including Bonnie and my own therapist. And friendships and professional experiences that also value this experience of alive, resonant, ways to being together.

The relational neurosciences now support therapy interventions that target the appropriate neurodevelopmental need of the client. Children with early complex relational trauma first need to rebuild a solid foundation through movement, rhythm, and sensory play. They need this in ALL parts of their lives, not just one hour of therapy per week. They need this embedded in a resonant, dynamically present therapeutic relationship (and ideally, their relationship with their caregiver). Working with clients in this way is intense! It requires a lot of energy, a lot of presence, a LOT of self-knowing, and a lot of humility. Sometimes this can be misperceived as being ‘directive’ or not following the child’s lead. This is quite the contrary. This type of therapeutic work with children requires an INTENSE amount of attunement and understanding of the follow-lead-follow dance of attunement, attachment, and resonance. It requires therapists to be fully alive and meeting their client’s in the exciting “WE” space that is co-created moment by moment. Children with complex trauma need to ‘take in’ the attuned, present, and resonant other. We allow them to do this because of our dynamic and not passive presence. Their mirror neurons soak us up, laying the building blocks for their sense of self AND regulation.

This is intense work. This is not how I was trained! And this is not how I experience most therapists as being trained or supported by their consultants or supervisors.

As the foundation gets stronger, as their sense of self develops and organizes, children will naturally move toward more expressive or symbolic ways of playing in therapy. The same way children naturally progress with their language or gross-motor skills, children naturally progress through their neurodevelopment. When children move into this next stage of treatment, I open up my room to look more child-led. Because we are complex, self-organizing systems, I trust that now that they have a more embodied sense of who they are, their systems will continue to move toward coherence and organization- as long as I continue to provide them with my authentic, attuned, resonant presence. This is not a time for relaxing, but there is a felt-sense of a more mutual relationship with a more defined little person in front of me- the same way this feeling changes as children grow from newborn, to early infancy, to late infancy, to toddler. We feel them becoming themselves.

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And then as needed, we begin to engage the cortical parts of the brain. We may identify ‘mixed up thoughts’ or talk specifically about coping skills. ALWAYS I do this through the medium of play (symbolic, movement based, sensory…I’m using play to describe a wide variety of different ways of being) so that we are embracing whole-brain learning as much as possible. We may create a specific therapeutic narrative, writing a book or making a time-line. We may do EMDR to target specific traumatic memories or desensitize present-day triggers.

I don’t want to imply that children progress through this in a beautifully sequential manner. First this, then this, and next this. Oh, how I wish. This brings us back to why it is SO important for therapists to ALWAYS be working on developing their own embodied presence and sense-of-self. This is infinitely more important that any tool, strategy, or technique (though obviously those are important, too). Therapists must be supported to engage in ongoing opportunities where they are invited to explore themselves inside a resonant relationship. When we are able to be fully present and attuned, tracking ourselves tracking our clients, it becomes easier to track treatment that isn’t sequential. To flexibly move in and out of different stages of treatment as the child needs.

 

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Robyn Gobbel, LCSW, RPT-S is a child and family therapist in Grand Rapids, MI- though she is currently focusing on teaching, training, and consulting with other therapists so that there are MORE therapists skilled in working with children with complex trauma.

Delight.  It’s such a neglected piece of the conversation around attachment.

When was the last time you heard about the importance of delight when you were learning about attachment.  How does delight apply to therapy from an attachment lens?  How does delight apply to parenting?

Delight. Happiness.  Pleasure.  Good feelings purely for the sake of good feelings.

Like…purple sparkly boots delight.

I was listening to a podcast about sex yesterday (Therapist Uncensored- Unspeakably Sexy) and nodded in agreement when the guest stated that Americans tend to be allergic to pleasure.

How did this happen?!?!

And if we are allergic to pleasure and delight, what is missing from our parenting? Or the therapy space? If it isn’t infused with delight?!

Delight.

Expressing and/or experiencing pleasure for the sake of pleasure.  Delight is that moment your kid is adorable beyond words.  Not because they accomplished something or did something that made you proud (those are important too…).  But delight is absent of any accomplishment.  Any task.  Delight is simply about existing.

And being delighted in- looking into the face of and coming into emotional contact with someone who is delighting in you- is attachment gold.  Delight is what secure attachment is made of!

Are you finding moments of delight in your life?

Because it’s hard to give if you ain’t receiving.

Delight and pleasure are why I’ve spent too much money on P!NK concert tickets this year.

Delight and pleasure are why I started taking aerial silks classes.

Delight and pleasure are why I love going to Costco with my husband.  Seriously.  We have so much unbelievable amounts of fun.  At Costco.  One time, the three of us were laughing so hard a woman walking by said “Man, I wish I was in your family.”

Delight and pleasure are why my friendship with my colleague Marshall is strengthening (and blooming with creativity!!!).

Delight and pleasure are not privileged ways of being.

Delight and pleasure are crucial ways of being.

I remember watching “The Book Thief” – historical fiction about living in Germany during World War 2.  How even in those horrifying and stressful times, people (especially children!!!) were able to find moments of delight.  Delight helps us stay connected to ourselves and our humanity.  Delight helps us move into connection with those around us.  Delight is like Vitamin C for the soul.

Find ways to have more moments of delight!!!

Robyn

Keep reading or listen to a similar topic on the podcast!

I’ve been thinking about the word ‘trust’- as in “I can’t trust my child to do XYZ…” (make the right decision, behave appropriately…etc.)

Trust really isn’t the right word here, especially if you are parenting a child with a history of complex trauma or toxic stress.

It’s not about trust.

It’s about recognizing your child’s developmental age and having appropriate expectations and boundaries in place.

Children’s brains develop only through the process of co-regulation.  Parents first do EVERYTHING for children.  Feed them.  Keep them warm. Install baby gates.  We adjust ourselves, the environment, and we inherently know that babies and toddlers need us close to them.  All the time.

It’s not about trust when we don’t leave a three-year-old home alone. Or even leave them playing unsupervised. Certainly not on the internet! We don’t do these things because their brain isn’t developed enough to make choices that keep them safe!  They literally don’t have the neural connections to the part of their brain that dampens impulses, thinks things through, considers consequences.  Their brain is fast DO DO DO. Touch, learn, see, explore.  It’s reactive- meaning there is no pause between a playmate taking their toy car and bopping them on the head in frustration.  Feel Do. Feel Do.  As adults, we seem to inherently understand that these little people need a significant amount of coregulation from a regulated adult in order to be OK.  We help with that ‘pause.’ We rush in to regulate emotions, which lays a brick in the slow-building tower of what ultimately becomes self-regulation.

Simply by being near-by, our toddlers and young children stay more regulated, right??  Things always seem to go better when an adult is close- sometimes just watching over, not even necessarily actively involved.

That ‘watching over’ adult is still co-regulating the young child.  The child’s brain is literally borrowing from the regulation of the adult’s prefrontal cortex.  And the adult is close enough that the child can check in for an extra boost of coregulation as often as needed.  Little children do this by approaching their grown-up, showing a toy, making eye contact across the room, and rushing toward them with tears that need to be kissed and hugged.  Every time your small child makes contact with you, they are receiving a boost of coregulation.

If your eight-year-old can’t play with the neighbors without WWIII commencing, or can’t play in their sister’s room without things going missing, this isn’t about trust. This is about your eight-year-old needing more coregulation than they are currently receiving. This is about your eight-year-old not having eight-year-old impulse control. Both simply indicate delayed development.

If your 16-year-old can’t navigate the world wide web without falling into a pit of video game addiction or porn, this isn’t about trust. It’s about needing more coregulation.

Children with a history of toxic stress or complex trauma need a smaller circle.  Toddlers have circles of a few feet- meaning they need to be in close proximity to an adult.  Basically all the time.  As children grow their circle gets bigger because they have begun to internalize all that coregulation.  The tower of self-regulation is growing stronger.  But they still have a circle, right? We don’t leave school age children without an adult for hours.  Teens still have their circle.  Grown-ups have a circle!!!  I touch base with my primary attachment figure regularly!  I can go days if needed, but I sure prefer not to!

You might have a school age child or a teen or even a young adult child with the circle the size of a toddler.  They simply cannot coregulate themselves to make a sandwich, go into a store without taking something, or navigate a frustrating peer situation (especially as they get older and peer dynamics get more complex and nuanced…leaving children with delayed social development extremely confused…which ultimately causes more frustration and dysregulation).

This isn’t about trust.  This is about brain development.

Human beings are designed to do well.  They are designed to develop that capacity to do well INSIDE relationship.  If your child can’t do well, they need more scaffolding, support, and coregulation.

They may also need experiences of being gently nudged out of the nest – these experiences help their capacity for regulation to grow.  Just like there comes a day when I watch my toddler navigate playground equipment instead of holding their hand…knowing they are likely to fall but that I’ll be close by and I can soothe them. Through this, my child learns more about their body and capabilities…something they can’t do if I never let go of their hand.  But I do this incrementally.  I don’t go from holding my toddler’s hand up the toddler slide steps to releasing them on the big kid monkey bars in one day.  It’s little by little.  Opportunities for small failures that can be supported and coregulated…not big failures that have the likelihood to result in the (real or proverbial) broken arm.

Using the word trust to describe our children’s inability to have age appropriate impulse control, cause and effect thinking, emotion regulation seems to suggest a moral character flaw. Let’s turn the words around. Instead of “I can’t trust my child…” can we use “My child needs more coregulation in order to be regulated enough to be OK.”

Robyn

The human brain is an amazingly complex and beautifully social organ.  The moment when our nervous system syncs up with another and we experience being seen, felt, and known is not a luxury- it is an actual need as non-negotiable as food and water.

It is through this experience of joining as a ‘we’ with another individual that we experience our own existence.

We feel alive and known.  We feel gotten.

This resonance with another confirms our own aliveness in a way that provides the nourishment we need to show up in the world with all of our unique amazingness.

When I feel seen, I know I exist.

The more I feel seen and known, the more I can tolerate moments when I don’t feel seen.  The fuller my cup is, the more I can tolerate when a little spills out.

We are all so delightfully smart and crafty at getting our needs met.

We’d all LIKE to just use our words and ask for what we need but many of us have had too many experiences of those needs going unnoticed or even shamed.

So we stop asking with words, and sometimes we even stop noticing that we have this basic, beautiful human need to be seen.

Oh yes, our system knows exactly when we need a dose of being seen.  The cup has to be refilled- for some of us, it needs to be refilled often. And we find ways to be seen and noticed.  Some of these ways get us the delightful attention we are craving.  Some of these ways get us attention combined with irritation, annoyance, frustration; even shame, criticism, and punishment.

But it all gets the need met.

When a behavior is labeled as “attention seeking” could we consider how we would respond if a hungry child was “food seeking?”

We’d give food. We’d understand that the food seeking wouldn’t stop until the child was fed.  We’d understand that they may even escalate to ‘bad’ behaviors like sneaking and stealing- all to get food.  We’d understand that the way to stop the behavior would be to meet the need.  We wouldn’t necessarily negotiate in that moment for better behavior.  We’d meet the need first.

We need to respond similarly to attention seeking.

It’s a basic, human need.  We are ALL ALWAYS looking for connection.  When it’s not there, we keep looking for it.  We panic, we protest, we get angry.  We are satisfied with negative attention the same way we would be satisfied with unappetizing food if we were hungry enough.

Attention is a need.  Meet the need.

Then teach your child not to be ashamed of needing attention so that they can notice the need and ask for it in a way that is connecting instead of distancing or annoying.

And honor your own need for attention.  You long to be seen, felt, heard, and noticed.  It’s a need.  Do not be ashamed.

Robyn

Self-regulation isn’t the goal.

No really.  It’s not.

Not only is it not the goal, I actually wonder if it even exists.

Listen to an episode on how Self Regulation Doesn’t Exist from when I was a guest on the Empowered to Connect podcast!

Regulation circuits are built INSIDE relationship.

We aren’t born with them.  They are created inside of repeated experiences with a bigger, stronger, wiser, and kind (thank you, Circle of Security) grown-up.  Over and over, the regulated adult goes to the dysregulated baby, lending their regulation through presence, attunement, and reflection.

The baby’s brain is literally shaped and built inside relationship.  Those experiences of co-regulation are imprinted in the brain.  And because of mirror neurons and some other complicated neural happenings, the baby creates a neural net of their own regulation AS WELL AS a neural net of the OTHER’S regulation.  BOTH happen.

When this happens over and over, the other person becomes internalized and we carry their offers of coregulation with us- all the time!!!!

Eventually this experience of coregulation is so strongly imprinted that we begin to access the coregulation EVEN WHEN THE OTHER PERSON ISN’T THERE!!!!!!!

Whoa.  Think about that.

We ALL have internalized others.

Bring your primary person to mind.  The person you would turn to in times of dysregulation.  For me, it’s my husband.  When I’m in distress, my first thought is to reach out to him.  But I don’t need him to be present for me to bring him to mind and start to feel his coregulation.  Because after 22 years, I have internalized his coregulation.  We coregulate even when he isn’t with me.

Self-regulation is really internalized co-regulation!!!!

This is especially important to remember with children.  Yes, we can teach them skills to help calm and regulate.  Yes, this is important.  But skills live in the neocortex- the highest part of the brain.  Dysregulation lives in the limbic system and brainstem- lower parts of the brain.  The cortex can help to regulate the lower parts of the brain, but it is much more effective to regulate those lower parts without involving the ‘thinking brain.’

Over and over again I hear about kids who “know” all the right skills but don’t use them.  YES!  In children especially (but adults too) the dysregulated brain isn’t able to retrieve all the smart information in the cortex.

What really works isn’t teaching self-regulation.

What really works is giving children experiences of co-regulation over and over and over again.

Until their brains literally take in and imprint the regulated adult.  Then the coregulation becomes internalized…but it’s still coregulation.

Robyn