Dr. Mona Delahooke is an infant and toddler mental health specialist who weaves together the connection between behaviors and the nervous system. In addition to her direct clinical work with families, Dr. Delahooke has dedicated her career to bringing the science of behaviors and the nervous system to educators and parents.

Dr. Delahooke’s third book, Brain Body Parenting: How to Stop Managing Behavior and Start Raising Joyful, Resilient Kids, was released today, March 15, 2022.

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Brain Body Parenting

Dr. Delahooke takes a transdisciplinary approach to conceptualizing children’s behaviors, which then informs the ways she offers support to that particular child.  She looks at behaviors through the lens of the childs:

  1. Physiology and the different pathways in our autonomic nervous system
  2. Social and emotional development
  3. Unique, individual needs.

This trifecta is the foundation for Brain Body Parenting (as well as her previous book, Beyond Behaviors).

Dr. Delahooke knows I work with kids with the biggest, more challenging, most severe- and what can feel like the most personal (manipulation, control, etc.) behaviors.

We agreed that this brain-body approach applies to all behaviors- even the trickiest ones!  This approach also applies to behaviors that don’t seem particularly dysregulated, such as calculated lying.

The path toward changing behaviors is to focus on the child’s physiology (their autonomic nervous system), their social and emotional development, and their unique needs.

The window never closes for re-wiring hope; for helping a brain predict safety rather than threat.  ~Dr. Delahooke

Connection First? Or not always?

Dr. Delahooke and I talked about how regulation and the autonomic nervous system are the platform that holds connection.  

So many parents are supported to be with their children in ways that are supposed to be connection-building.  Connection is important of course!

But sometimes the ways we are offering connection are difficult for a child to receive because of the state of their physiology.  

Sometimes, those offerings of connection can even be experienced by the child as unsafe or more dysregulating.

We may need to focus on the child’s physiology first and help to bring a sense of safety into their bodies through physiological pathways before focusing intensely on connection.

Sometimes, due to a child’s unique and vulnerable nervous system (for a wide variety of reasons, including sensory processing disorder, a history of trauma etc.,) parents can learn how to titrate the intensity of their offers of connection.

We can also reframe our child’s rejection of connection as not necessarily an attachment issue but as the child’s adaptive response to nervous system overwhelm.  

Find Dr. Delahooke

Dr. Delahooke’s Website: https://monadelahooke.com

Dr. Delahooke on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrMonaDelahooke

Dr. Delahooke on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/monadelahooke/

Dr. Delahooke’s Books

Brain Body Parenting (newly released on March 15, 2022!)

Beyond Behaviors

Social & Emotional Development

Download the podcast transcript here: Brain Body Parenting_TRANSCRIPT

Robyn


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I’m introducing you to one more amazing mom in The Club this week.

This mom has given me the privilege of watching some pretty remarkable transformation happen as she practices being OK with exactly who she is.

And how that matters in her parenting.

I hope you love this special episode.

Many many thanks to my special guest :) And to all the special parents and caregivers in the Club.

If you’d love to join us over in The Club, CLICK HERE.

Robyn


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“I experienced post-adoption depression when my son was adopted as a newborn.  Now he has some behaviors that make it hard for me to parent with compassion.  How do we get out of this stuckness?”

This is such a brave and vulnerable and honest question.  Thank you for trusting as well as trusting all my listeners to hold you and your son’s pain.

Regular podcast listeners won’t be surprised that I start off by talking about self-compassion!  I have some thoughts about the important of everyone processing their grief, as well as how to support this parent’s son is expressing authentic and valid feelings without being hurtful.

In this episode, I mention my free ebook on attachment: https://robyngobbel.com/ebook

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Robyn


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Dr. Katja Rowell is a family physician in Washington State, the author of Conquer Picky Eating for Teens and Adults, Helping Your Child with Extreme Picky Eating, and Love Me, Feed Me.  Dr. Rowell is also the co-founder of Responsive Feeding Pros, an international digital learning platform for professionals working with feeding and eating challenges within a responsive framework.

Responsive Feeding is a feeding model that has been in the academic literature since 2011 and is recommended by American Academy of Pediatrics. 

Dr. Rowell described Responsive Feeding as a model that ultimately helps kids tune into their hunger and fullness cues, while also recognizing and honoring that food is comforting and regulating.  

Responsive Feeding is a model that is both high structure and high nurture, which ultimately allows for a lot of flexibility.  Responsive Feeding prioritizes felt safety; it is never intended to be rigid.  Responsive feeding is about attunement and helping caregivers respond to their child’s cues.

All of this sounds very familiar right?  Attunement, felt-safety, high-structure, high-nurture.

I knew Dr. Rowell would be just the right guest to talk to my audience!

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When we feed from a place of anxiety, we aren’t going to have good outcomes. ~Dr. Katja Rowell

We are so lucky to Dr. Rowell’s expertise here on the podcast.  Just a quick reminder that our conversation isn’t offering medical advice!  Dr. Rowell’s whole model is on attunement and knowing your child- not rigidly following advice from someone who has never met your child.  You are your child’s expert!

Picky Eaters

Dr. Rowell’s first suggestion for families who are struggling with picky-eating is to do family style feeding.  This means the child is invited to serve themselves without any cajoling or bribing, and they have the power to choose what and how much they serve themselves, and then what and how much they eat.

Family style feeding can neutralize power-struggles and begin the process toward removing anxiety around food.

But- What About Nutrition?

Of course, parents are worried about nutrition and giving their kids the right amount of food and nutrients they need to be healthy.  Nutrition is important!

But nutrition doesn’t trump felt-safety.  Chronic states of activation due to stress is harmful to our bodies and associated with heart disease, diabetes, and many of the same health challenges that are fueling our stress about food and nutrition.  Felt-safety trumps all!

What About Over-Eating?

The primary goal for kids who struggle with food-preoccupation is to decrease or eliminate the anxiety related to food and feeding. 

For both parents and kids!

It feels very anxiety provoking to have a child who the doctors or growth charts are labeling as overweight. 

Our fat-phobic culture is very judgmental of overweight children (and adults!) and this stresses out parents.

When we are parenting children who struggle with food-preoccupation, we have to do our own inner work to reduce or eliminate our anxiety about having a child in a bigger body. ~Dr. Rowell

Connecting with a Child With Food-Preoccupation

Dr. Rowell’s book, Love Me, Feed Me, outlines a potential approach for connecting with a child with food-preoccupation, understanding that the goals are to eliminate food-related anxiety and help a child begin to connect with their body cues. 

The specifics of this approach go beyond a short podcast interview, but I highly encourage you to read Love Me, Feed Me.  (Dr. Rowell felt a little sheepish about plugging her book but I assured her that y’all want easy to access, easy to read, and easy to understand resources like her book- and it truly is a great book). 

Noticing Ourselves

I was so grateful to connect with Dr. Rowell regarding her thoughts on helping us parents tune into our own bodies.  This just fits right in with everything we talk about here on the Parenting after Trauma Podcast!  

Notice ourselves first.  

Dr. Rowell and I both commiserated that food and feeding is a really hard aspect of parenting.  Parents are getting judgments from the teachers, the doctors, even from their own family about how they feed their child, what they feed their child, and the size of the child’s body.

So much about parenting kids with big, baffling behaviors is about finding ways to stay regulated and connected to ourselves, finding experiences of felt-safety in our own bodies, and making the choices that work the best for our family. Even when we’re being judged by others.  

It’s hard.

You’re doing amazing.

Find Dr. Rowell

Dr. Rowell’s Website: www.thefeedingdoctor.com

Dr. Rowell on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thefeedingdoctor

Dr. Rowell on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katjarowellmd/ and https://www.instagram.com/responsivefeedingpro/

Responsive Feeding Pro (for professionals): https://responsivefeedingpro.com/

White Paper on Responsive Feeding (Values and Practice): CLICK HERE

Article on Healing Food Preoccupation and Trusting Hunger and Fullness

Dr. Rowell’s Books

Love me, Feed Me

Conquer Picky Eating for Teens and Adults

Helping Your Child with Extreme Picky Eating

Robyn


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Today is your lucky day because you get to meet a pretty awesome mom.

A mom who might be a little like you- even if you’re a grandma or a dad or a foster parent or a big sister or whoever you are.

A mom who is straight up with us right away that she knows it’s very possible that her child will have possibly life-long struggles with regulation.

And even if that’s true, there are still a lot of things she can do to make life easier or better or maybe just less hard.

I hope you love this special episode.

Many many thanks to my special guest :)

The Club opens periodically to new members!  See all the details and join us over at https://robyngobbel.com/theclub

Robyn


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“My six-year-old gets stuck when things don’t go as planned or the way she wants them to go.  She’ll flip her lid and it can take 30 minutes for her to calm down.  Help! What do I do?”

In this Q&A we talk about our x-ray vision goggles, how disappointment can be a tricky feeling, and different ways to help our kids move through distressing moments, like Greg Santucci’s “Change the Sensory Channel.”

In this episode I mention these previous podcast episodes:

https://robyngobbel.com/notflippingyourlid/

https://robyngobbel.com/againstabehavioralapproach/ with Greg Santucci OTR

Q&A Episodes

Have a question?  Leave me a voice message over at https://robyngobbel.com/podcast

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Hit the button and record your question right on my website.  Easy peasy!

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

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“How do I help adoptive parents feel more empathy toward their child’s parents so that their relationships can improve?”

I love this question.  Thank you for calling it in, and thanks for even having it.

The answer takes a few twists and turns as I talk about grief, all feelings being welcomed, and believing in everyone’s infinite worth.

Listen for the full answer as well as questions we can all ask ourselves to really do a self-inventory- have I created a space where all feelings are welcome?

Link to Kent Hoffman’s Infinite Worth Ted Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9fHCrP8hZM

Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!

I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

Have a question?  Leave me a voice message over at https://robyngobbel.com/podcast

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Hit the button and record your question right on my website.  Easy peasy!

See you next week!

Robyn


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Most parents I know have had the thought “I do not like my kid.”

Parents of kids with big baffling behaviors, lots of dysregulation, and especially histories of attachment or relationship trauma have had that thought more than once.

Then they become paralyzed by the shame of having that thought. More than once.

They tell no one.  Or if they do, it’s with a tone of both shame and horror at themselves. 

In a way, I have found this self-shaming to be more significant in the parents who are drawn to my work. Y’all are parents who are committed to understanding what behavior really is and how to respond by increasing connection, co-regulation, and felt-safety.

You’ll say things to me like “I know why my kid is struggling.  I know why they act this way.  It’s awful for me to feel like I don’t like them.  I’m an awful person.”

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You’re Not Awful.  It’s an Awful Way to Feel

Well y’all here’s the thing.  It is awful to feel like you don’t like your child.  It’s an awful way to feel.  But you aren’t awful.

Parenting is really hard, even on the best of days.  Really, really. hard.  We push through the hard of parenting because we get back a lot of experiences that aren’t hard.

Basically, the hard is worth it.

I know a lot of you listening to this podcast are parenting kids where it feels like it’s ALL hard.  There is little reprieve.  There aren’t very many moments of ease, let alone moments of delight.

Wanting your parenting journey to have ease, delight, and to include a relationship with someone who expresses love for you doesn’t make your selfish.

You Aren’t Selfish

It’s easy, but ultimately short-sighted and not based in reality, to say things like parenting isn’t about me, but the reality is parenting is a job for humans, and humans need connection.

Parenting is a relationship and even though we’re the grown-ups in the relationship, we’re still humans and that means we have needs in the relationship.

It’s OK to have Relationship Needs as Parent.

Of course it’s true that as the adult, we have more resources, more internal capacity for regulation, and more ability to delay our needs than our children do.  

Of course.

But we still have needs.

Being in relationship with someone who struggles to be in relationship, not because they are bad but because of the way their nervous system is patterned, can be traumatic.

Even if that relationship is the parent/child relationship.

When Parenting Feels Traumatic

What do we encourage people to do who are in relationships that feel traumatic?  

We usually encourage them to end that relationship.

This is a pretty tricky nuance with parenting.

Our kids are doing the very best they can.  They are behaving in ways that make complete sense given the state of their nervous system, their level of felt-safety, and the way their previous experiences have helped them survive.  

If you’re new here and looking for some support on understanding your kids’ baffling behaviors, head to robyngobbel.com/masterclass for the What Behavior Really Is…and How to Change It masterclass. 

Both are True

It can be true that your kid is doing the very best they can and being their parent is still very very hard.

Sometimes our kids best is to protect themselves against intimate relationships.  This comes out with all sorts of behaviors that are challenging for us (and frankly for them- it’s terrible to be driven to reject something you also really need to survive).

Some of our kids have such a sensitive stress response systems that living with them feels like walking on egg-shells.  We’re tip-toeing around, waiting for an explosion, and feeling like hostages in our own homes.

Some of our kids have traumatic histories that have left such a tragic impact on their nervous system that they have behaviors that we actually even find disgusting.

The feeling of disgust is designed to have us push away whatever is causing that feeling.

But what about when it’s your kid?  And you feel compelled to push away, and then you feel the shame of being disgusted by your kid?

Take a Breath

I just took a breath.

A big one with a big sigh.

Y’all this is all just so so hard.

Like, calling it hard feels ridiculous because hard doesn’t even begin to capture the true feeling.

It’s Hard for You. And It’s Hard for Your Kid

Your child is trapped.  They are longing and desperate for safety and connection, yet they have experiences in the past that tell them that safety and connection isn’t safe.  

You know what happens when we need something that we also believe isn’t safe?  

We act really weird.  Bizarre.  Maybe even in ways that evoke disgust.

Or maybe their nervous system, for whatever reason, is so fragile that they, and then of course you too, are constantly on alert- just waiting for the next explosion.

It’s exhausting.

Then you add in the judgment from others, the lack of support, and the fact that for some of your kids, what they need literally doesn’t even exist.  And if it did, it probably wouldn’t be accessible to the average family. 

OK YUP.  Sometimes all of this results in a feeling of not really liking our kid that much.

Try This

See if you can be honest with yourself that the feeling of not liking your kid is painful.  To you.  It’s a moment of suffering in your own heart.

You know what Dr. Kristin Neff invites us to do with our suffering?

We meet it with self-compassion.

Yup.  When you find yourself not liking your kid, the next step (instead of judging or shaming yourself) is to take a breath and think “Wow.  Not liking my kid is very painful.  This is a moment of suffering.  Suffering deserves compassion.”

 The Only Way Out is to be Seen

The feeling of not liking your kid needs to be seen. And not with horror but with curiosity and compassion.

Then an invitation can be extended to that feeling.

Can a feeling exist without actions?

Yes.

Can I not like my kid but still take care of them?

Yes.

Can I meet myself with compassion every time I feel like I don’t like my child?

Yes.

Will meeting that feeling with compassion help me feel better?

Yes.

Can I not like my kid while still believing 100% that they are worthy of love and adoration and overflowing with infinite worth?

YES.

That, in fact, is the goal.

Let’s Hold Both Truths

Being worthy of love and adoration is our birthright.  

Your child does indeed overflow with infinite worth.  And their nervous system drives behaviors that make it very difficult for you to like them. 

Our kids deserve to be looked at with eyes of adoration.

They need that.

They need to know they delight people simply because they exist.

You can send yourself self-compassion for feeling like you don’t like your kid and still keep working ferociously hard at finding a way to like your kid.

They deserve it and honestly, you do too.

So. What Do You Do?

Find other adults in your child’s life who will look at them with delight.

And you find other adults in your life who look at YOU with delight.

That.  That’s really the antidote.

If you want to find ways to adore your child, find people who adore you. 

Even if that person is yourself. 

Since you’re listening to this podcast and reading this blog, you’ve already found one person.

I Adore You

I adore you.

I adore your kids.

People ask me all the time- why do you work with these kids?

I’m not completely sure but for whatever reason, I just get them.  They make sense to me.  I adore them.

This is also true about their parents.  

I don’t know exactly why I love y’all.  But I do.  

I love the parents of kids with big behaviors who keep looking for what they need.  

I love parents who are willing to regulate through the vulnerability of asking for help.  They show up.  

For years, they showed up in my office.  Every week they were brave and showed up.  

You show up by hitting play on this podcast and reading this blog.  

Parents show up at the conferences and workshops I teach.  

They show up in the Club.

This really is quite remarkable.  It’s raw and honest and remarkable and I love these parents.  I adore them.  I adore you.  

You are Adored

I know I know.  That might sound trite.  I don’t even know you.

I actually don’t really need to.

I know your true self is easy to adore because I know that’s true about all people. 

Not liking your kid is painful.  Hitting play on this episode was brave. 

I worry about all the adults who were kids with big baffling behaviors seeing this podcast and feeling the pain of wondering if their parents didn’t like them.

But here’s what I know.  I know feeling that way about your kid and still seeking out help, support, listening to this podcast and joining The Club- I know that it matters.

The Work You’re Doing Matters

I will never ever forget a conference attendee who emailed me after the conference.  It was a conference for parents who had adopted children through foster care.

This attendee emailed and told me they had once been one of those kids.  They grew up in foster care.  They experienced abuse and neglect and had the behaviors of the kids we were talking about at the conference.

They were overcome with emotion sitting in a conference ballroom looking around at the hundreds of parents there who were showing up for themselves and their kids.  They wanted to do better.

This attendee emailed me and wrote

I wanted to be a kid again, and have one of them be my parents.

Show up Imperfectly

No matter how imperfectly you show up for your kids, you are trying.  You keep trying.  You deal with the pain and the vulnerability and you keep trying.  You wouldn’t be listening if that wasn’t true.

That matters.  

It matters to your kids but you never know who else it might matter to- like that adult in the audience of that conference who once was your kid.  

And who was filled with relief that so many parents were there, at that conference, trying.  Trying to see their kids for their real true loveable and worthy of adoration selves.

Robyn


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“I’ve been listening to you since the beginning but I’m having such a hard doing the things I’m learning.  What am I doing wrong?”

I have a feeling soooo many of you are nodding your head.  Yup, been there.  Yup, asked that question.

Here’s the short answer.

You’re doing nothing wrong.

Listen for the long answer (you know I have a long answer!) and also for ideas about what to do next.  What are the steps to take to moving from knowing to doing?

Welcome to Fridays in February Q&As!

I’ll be answering one question every Friday in February.

Have a question?  Leave me a voice message over at https://robyngobbel.com/podcast

Look for the box that says “Send me a question!”

Hit the button and record your question right on my website.  Easy peasy!

See you next week!

Robyn


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Katie Malinski, LCSW is a therapist and parent coach in Austin, TX.  I’ve been lucky to know Katie for well over a decade.  In the last few years of my life in Austin, Katie and I could wave at each other from our offices because she moved in across the street.

Katie recently published her first book and I was thrilled she accepted the invitation to be on the podcast.  

How to Talk to Your Teen About Anything

Katie organizes her book around 5 Key Skills for parenting teens:

  1. Active Listening
  2. Authentic Communication
  3. Non-verbal Communication
  4. Emotional Regulation
  5. Boundaries and Emotional Boundaries

Non-Verbal Communication

I enjoyed all of Katie’s book, and I was especially excited to chat with her about her chapter on non-verbal communication.

Katie does a great job verbally explaining non-verbal communication- which is really hard to do!

Body Posture and Position

Sitting down, getting lower than our teen, relaxing our arms, and slouching so we have a curved spine and a soft belly sends the message “I’m not a threat.”

It can quickly de-escalate a stressful situation for two reasons.

  1. Slouching your body sends a message to your brain “Everything’s OK here.”  This means you’ll be less likely to threaten, raise your voice, or act in a threatening way to your teen.
  2. Slouching your body sends a message to your teen’s brain “My parent isn’t a threat.”  

Y’all know I talk soooo much about felt-safety.  If we want to change our teen’s defensive behavior, we have to help their brain and body know they are safe when they are safe.  

You and I know we aren’t a threat!  But if we’re leaning toward our teen, towering over them, and have a body-posture that is communicating “I’m ready for action!” we can unintentionally be telling our teen that we’re a threat to them.  

Tone, Pace, Volume, and Intensity

It’s not just the words we say but the way we say them.  Interestingly, when Katie and I were talking and playing around with changing our body posture during the podcast interview, we noticed how our tone of voice changed.

We talked slower.  And more quiet.  

There’s an amazing loop of information that goes between posture, tone, and physiology.  

Just like changing our posture, changing our tone, pace, volume, and intensity of our voice sends the message “Everything is OK here.”  It’s a message to ourselves as well as to our teens.  

Hand Gestures

Some of us are talk with our hands more wildly than others!  This is definitely something to pay attention to when you are in a heated discussion with your teen.  You don’t have to glue your hands to your side like a weird robot, but wild, gesticulating hands and arms send a DANGER DANGER message.  

Keep your hands loose and low!

Physical Distance

I learned something new from Katie!  The term “flight distance.”

Flight distance is the physical distance an animal will allow a potential predator to get before it gets spooked.  

How close can we get to our teens to offer co-regulation while staying far enough away not to spook them?

This will really vary and something you’ll have to experiment with.  I often encourage parents to stay far enough away not to feel threatening to your child or escalate the situation, but close enough that you can notice the subtle changes that let you know your teen is ready to connect.

Turns out, there’s a word for that.  Flight distance!

Upcoming Free Webinar with Katie

The Velvet Rope: Health Emotional Boundaries with your Teen

Katie and I didn’t get to talk too much about the chapter on emotional boundaries- but that’s OK because she has a free webinar coming up.

It’s FREE and you don’t have to attend live BUT you do have to pre-register!

CLICK HERE to check out the details and register.

Get More of Katie

Sign-up for Katie’s email newsletter over on her website and get her 5 Tips for Better Behavior.

Katie has an infographic and video on The Arc of the Tantrum that I know you’ll love.  

Katie is a therapist and parent coach in Austin, TX, offering virtual parent coaching sessions.  

Connect with Katie on Facebook and tell her I sent you!

Robyn