The curious paradox is that when I accept myself just as I am, then I can change. ~Carl Rogers

The Science Backs it Up

You know, one of my favorite things about studying relational neuroscience is discovering the science that proves things we’ve known all along. 

Not everyone needs the science, and I know some think the science destracts from the powerful truths that people have been brave enough to say and believe without having science to back it up.  

I think both approaches are fine.  I just happen to like the science.  

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Acceptance Leads to Change?!

Y’all I remember being pretty pissed about this sentiment by Carl Rogers.  

How could I accept parts of myself?  How could I do that with the explicit purpose of wanting to change because frankly that seemed to contradict itself.  And I wanted to follow the instructions correctly because yeah I really wanted to change.  I’m very good at following instructions to eventually obtain the end result.

But that didn’t seem exactly what Carl Rogers had in mind.  

I also wanted to understand why.  WHY did acceptance lead to the possibility of change?

You know, I needed to make sure Carl Rogers wasn’t tricking me.  And if I could understand the mechanics of this phenomenon I could perhaps risk accepting the parts of me I was pretty desperate to change.  

The Mechanisms of Change

First I had to understand the mechanisms behind change.

Change that wasn’t just about developing a new behavior that was stronger than the one I wanted to change but real true change.  Change that reached the depths of whatever was driving that behavior.

The Path for Integration

The field of interpersonal neurobiology tells us that the characteristics of integration are Flexibility, Adaptability, Coherence, Energetic, and Stable. 

That seemed like a good place for me to start because yeah, the parts of myself I was pretty desperate to change aren’t flexible, adaptive, coherent, energetic or stable.

But here’s something interesting…desperation isn’t flexible, adaptive, coherent, energetic or stable either.  Desperation is the opposite of flexible, that’s for sure.  Desperation, for me, is quite rigid and actually pretty stagnant, not energetic.  

I pondered this- I was seeking integration for sure, but taking a path that wasn’t integrated at all.

I suspected that was something worth looking into.

The idea of integration intrigued me, though it did perplex me a little.  It felt slippery- I couldn’t quite hold on to the definition and wasn’t sure exactly what it meant.  But I was intrigued.

Characteristics of Integration

Interpersonal Neurobiology also tells us that an integrated mind leads to response flexibility, regulation, the ability to participate in attuned communication, empathy, insight.

Cool.  I wanted those things.  

The parts of me I was desperate to change weren’t those things.  

But then I learned something else that really actually changed my whole life.

Always Seeking Connection

We are all always seeking connection, and my mentor Bonnie Badenoch says the most nourishing connections we can imagine.  

That one gave me pause.

How could this make sense?  How could I bring together some of these behaviors I was desperate to change with the idea that my system was always seeking connection?

Because just take my word for it- these weren’t behaviors there were exactly inviting connection.

They weren’t behaviors that were inviting connection with others and definitely not with myself- given that I was desperate to banish them.  

Could both be true? Could there be a part of me that has behaviors that I want to change while another part of me that’s always seeking nourishing connections?

Not All of Me

I suddenly had to consider the possibility that the part of me I wanted to change was indeed- just a part.

It wasn’t all of me.

It wasn’t who I was at my core. 

Who I am at my core is the same as who everyone else is at their core.

Precious. Good. Full of infinite worth. Longing for connection.  Deserving of connection.  

Easier to Believe about Others

I’m telling this story a little bit backwards actually because for me, it was easier to believe these ideas first about everyone else.

I embraced this theory as a professional first.

I embraced this theory as a professional who loved to work with kids who’d experienced attachment trauma.

Who had very real, troubling, and even dangerous behaviors that certainly did not invite connection.

They were kids who seemed as though the last thing they ever would want is connection and they worked quite hard to make sure we all knew that.

I embraced this theory during a time period when the popular belief about kids with a history of attachment trauma was basically the opposite of “we are all longing for connection.”  

I felt like I had to.

I didn’t know how else to keep showing up to work to welcome these kids – and adults too – who had very intense push away behaviors if I didn’t believe that somewhere underneath all of it they were – like everyone else- seeking connection.

Accepting Isn’t Excusing

OK back to the idea that it’s only when we can accept something as it is that change becomes possible.  

There was a part of me that thought accepting meant excusing, allowing, or inviting.

If I accepted this part of me- if I accepted these parts of my clients- it meant I was giving up.

But how could it possibly mean that if I knew in my core that we are all always seeking connection.

What if I could really truly trust that truth?

What if I didn’t need to try to change anyone- including myself- because we are all always trying to move toward integration?

What if acceptance absolutely positively did not mean the behavior that was emerging from that part of self was OK?  

What if acceptance simply means that I am connecting to reality in this moment. 

Acceptance means getting very curious and compassionate about what is happening inside that person- or myself- that is more powerful than our inherent drive for connection.

Survival and Connection

It’s not that our inherent drive for connection- and therefore for behaviors that are inviting of connection- disappears.  It’s that something else becomes more powerful.

We are all driven for connection, yet, but we are all also driven for survival.  

Can you imagine anything more tragic than the felt sense that connection – to ourselves or to others- is so terrifying that protection based behaviors emerge instead?

OK OK OK I’m veering off track again from the premise here- that only when we accept something as it is is change possible.

I mean, I’m kinda veering off track.  I’m really showing you all the tracks I took to finally be willing to believe that.

Integration invites Integration.

If I want something in myself to change- or something in someone else to change- I have to find a way to be with that something with an integrated presence.

What the heck is an integrated presence!?

Well I won’t bore you will alllll the science but we can be certain than an integrated presence has characteristics like curiosity and compassion.  An integrated presence feels open, not constricted, and definitely not desperate.

I’m a therapist so I worked my tail off cultivating the ability to sit with folks – some of who had extremely challenging behaviors not just outside my office but inside my office- with curiosity and compassion.

Notice, I never said CALM.

This is True of All of Us. Including Ourselves.

Eventually I had to have a real heart to heart with myself as I wondered why I continued to consider myself the one outlying variable here.

Why wasn’t I worthy of this approach?

Could I connect with the parts of myself that I was desperate to change with curiosity and compassion??

Turns out, I can.

Connecting with Ourselves

Yup, it’s reallllllly hard work.  It’s so counterintuitive.  It almost feels even absurd at times.

But I can and I must and I do and it’s exactly what the hurting parts of me need.

It’s also exactly what the hurting parts of our kids need.

Behaviors of Hurt and Fear

We have to stay grounded in the truth that these behaviors that we realllllly want to change are indeed grounded in hurt and fear.

They must be.  If there was no hurt and fear, connection based behaviors would emerge.

No Step by Step Instructions

There is no formula I can give you, no step by step instructions on how to practice this place of acceptance while also still honoring your own truth which is that you realllllly want a certain behavior to change.

Maybe, in your quietest moments, you connect with the parts of you that want a behavior to change – in yourself or in others- and you experiment with curiosity.

Why would someone who is biologically driven for connection have a behavior that is pushing away connection?

I promise promise promise that we can find moments of acceptance that aren’t about giving up, or allowing bad behavior, or no longer hoping something changes.

Acceptance is About One Moment

Acceptance is about a moment.  In this moment, my child or me or my partner or my client, has something happening for them that is leading them to believe they need to prioritize behaviors of protection over behaviors of connection.  

Sometimes- certainly not ALL the times but sometimes- that may just inspire us to lean in and offer safety.  Or connection.  

A gesture that makes sense when our belief is “you’re hurting” instead of a belief of “I need your behavior to change.”  

You’re Doing the Very Best you Can.

Always.  Your desperation to get a behavior to change is emerging from your own fear.  Your fear deserves to be met with compassion.

Maybe that’s why you come here.  So I can give you heaps of compassion.

Until one day you’ll notice that you hear my compassionate voice in your head even when you aren’t listening to this podcast.

And then one day you’ll notice that the compassionate voice in your head is yours.

You know what’s super cool?  What I’m doing for you is what you are doing for your child.  They’ll eventually internalize your compassion and eventually they’ll have compassion for themselves.

I can’t think of anything more amazing.

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!


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As I sat down to prep this final podcast episode of 2021- I really paused and reflected on the question- what do you need?

What Do You Need?

What do you need in December?  In a time of year that often involves increased dysregulation and chaos.  There are more responsibilities this time of year.  You might feel more pressure to have a family that looks or acts a certain way. 

There are definitely more opportunities to enforce our own boundaries. 

And almost certainly more opportunities to grieve that this isn’t life you imagined. 

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Both Places Are OK

Maybe you’re realizing for the first time that you can grieve that truth while also being OK. 

I remember the first time I consciously realized that I was sitting squarely in ‘wow everything is awful right now’ while at the same time still being so content and even grateful for the different layers of goodness in my life.

Maybe you cannot even imagine that being true.

Both places are OK.

You are Exactly Where you Need to Be.

Maybe this is the year you’ve come into connection with the truth that you are not alone. 

You may indeed be extremely lonely- parenting kids with big behaviors can be traumatically lonely- but you are not alone. 

Maybe this is the year you’ve come into connection to the truth that there is nothing wrong with you.  Or your child. 

Maybe this is the year you’ve come into connection with that the truth that there is nothing wrong with you and there are always things we could work on to do better. 

I know that’s true for me.

Nothing Wrong With You (or me!)

I really believe, finally, that there is absolutely nothing wrong with me. 

I also know that there are still many, many moments when I get dysregulated, when my hurting inner parts get touched, awakened, and overwhelmed.

When this happens, I sometimes behave in a way that hurts me or the people I love. 

There’s nothing wrong with me and I can keep fiercely working to care for my own inner world so that I don’t hurt the people I love.

That is my wish for you, too.

Cannot Change the Hard

There’s very little I can do to change what’s hard in your life.  You know that.  I know that.

What I can do, what I strive to do every day, is to show up in your life- whether that’s in your earbuds on this podcast- in your inbox, in The Club where we are getting to know each other so well, or maybe you’re even someone I know really really well.

Regardless of how we are connected, me and you- we are connected. 

Every day I strive to show up in your life and remind you of your infinite worth. 

I strive to remind you that you are worthy of compassion. 

I strive to remind you that you are a perfectly imperfect human doing their absolute very best.  And so are your kids. 

The Hard Can Feel Less Hard

Helping you see your own infinite worth and how you are deserving of self-compassion doesn’t change anything about what’s hard in your life.

But over time, it will help you ride the rollercoaster of hard a little more smoothly. 

So that’s what I do.  I try to show up and tenaciously prove up to you that you are good and worth of self-compassion.  That all behavior makes sense- yours and your child’s and really, everyone else’s. 

What I Needed

Obviously, as I sat down to ponder what do you need from this final episode of 2021, I ended up realizing I really have no idea what you need!

This reflection actually turned out to be more of what I needed.  Perhaps it ended up being what you needed, too. 

Ready for a Break!

The podcast will be back in January.  I’m not going to promise you when in January because I’m just not sure yet!  In the next few weeks, I’m focusing on my family, my incoming cohort of Being With, and all the parents in The Club.  I’m focusing on play and rest and the Nutcracker and spending days in my pjs and maybe even going downhill skiing if we get any good snow. 

Y’all I really seriously started this podcast on a whim.  I was going to do Facebook lives and I thought I’d throw the audios into a podcast feed and wha-la.  Podcast.

I did that.  For four or five episodes.

Then I realized I kinda hated those Facebook Lives but I loved podcasting. 

This makes sense because I love listening to podcasts and delight in feeling as though total strangers are my friends because I hear them so often in my ear buds. 

I delight in the idea that maybe you feel like we know each other.

It Feels so Good to be Known.

For a podcast on a whim, I’m pretty darn proud of what we’ve created here.  The guests I’ve been lucky to host, the new friends I’ve made, the laughter, and the emails I get from you. 

Thank you for bringing me on your journey and thank you for being a part of mine.  I’ll see you back here in 2022!!!

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!


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Lori Desautels is an assistant professor in the College of Education at Butler University in Indianapolis.  Dr. Desautels is especially interested in applying the social and affective neurosciences, including polyvagal theory, into the education setting.  Dr. Desautels also spends two days a week in the classroom, currently with 7th graders, where she has the opportunity to be applying the concepts she is teaching to other educators.

Dr. Desautels remembers that even before she moved into academia or had the opportunity to be exposed to social neuroscience she had a lot of curiosity about what behavior really is.  She’s always been on a quest to find out what is driving behavior (sound familiar?!).

Now equipped with the science of behavior, including the autonomic nervous system, she is tenaciously working to bring this science to classroom educations.

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The Brainstem

The brainstem, Dr. Desautels described, speaks the language of sensation.  Children who in a state of arousal or not experiencing felt-safety, will respond to sensation or sensation-based language to help bring safety and soothing into their nervous system.

If we want children’s higher brains to work- where memory, language, and facts are all located- they have to have safe and soothed brainstems.

Children, and of course educators too, are stressed.  Their brainstems need safety and soothing first so that they can learn at school.

Fight/Flight/Collapse Behaviors

Disruptive behaviors- opposition, defiance, refusal to participate- are behaviors that fall somewhere on the fight/flight/collapse continuums.  These are behaviors that are emerging from a state of survival.

When we discipline survival based behaviors, that discipline backfires because we are adding to stress instead of decreasing stress.

Behavior Management is About Adult

Behavior management is not about children- it’s about the adults! It’s about being attuned to, soothing, and regulating our own nervous system.  If we want to change the behavior of children, we have to bring safety and soothing to the adult’s nervous system!

Rewiring our Perceptions of Discipline

The subtitle of Dr. Desautels’ book is Rewiring of Perceptions of Discipline.  In her book, Dr. Desautels provides the research that backs up the assertion that a dysregulated adult cannot help to regulate a dysregulated child.  For the majority of adults, this is a new look at what discipline really is.

Dr. Desautels shared that she has spent years practicing awareness of her own physiological cues- tone of voice, tightness in her muscles and other indicators of stress in her own nervous system.  As she grows in awareness by intentionally noticing, she is better able to regulate her own stress and then co-regulate her students.

It’s OK Not to Be OK

Dr. Desautels emphasizes that there isn’t a better or right state of the nervous system.  It’s OK not to be OK!  The important piece isn’t being in a certain state of the nervous system it’s about developing the capacity to notice the ebbs and flows in our own nervous system.

With increased awareness, we can increase our ability to be present with ourselves and offer ourselves self-compassion.  Presence and self-compassion begin to bring our own nervous system more into a state of safety.

How To Help Kids

Dr. Desautels reminded us that movement, rhythm, and sensory experiences can all offer experiences of safety to our nervous system.

Practices of focused attention- training our brain to be present in the here and now and notice what’s actually happening- have the potential to create significant change in our nervous system.  Dr. Desautels’ work with schools and educators is helping them bring these practices into their classrooms.

How to Help Teachers

I asked Dr. Desautels how she is bringing these ideas to educators who are stressed and overwhelmed.  How is she helping educators see the benefits of tending to the nervous system without them feeling like it’s one more thing to do.

Dr. Desautels stated that she teachers educators that she isn’t adding anything more to their plate.  Their nervous system- whether they are paying attention to it or not- is their plate.  She is teaching educators to be more connected to what already exists.

She is also teaching educators to look at discipline as something that is always happening, it’s happening naturally.  Discipline is noticing a student’s nervous system, and discipline is prompting three deep breaths.  She is teaching educators how to look at behaviors differently and that’s discipline.

Discipline versus Punishment

Discipline isn’t only responsive (occurring after a child’s negative behavior) and it’s definitely not punishment.  Discipline is developing proactive practices to help children become more connected to themselves, each other, and to the adults.

Dr. Desautels and I have similar experiences that when we teach the science of nervous system and the science of behavior it doesn’t feel like we are stressing out our already stressed nervous system by adding ‘one more thing’ to our plates.  Understanding the science of behavior feels relieving.  It brings attunement and resonance to our own nervous systems and decreases- not increases- our stress.

Find Dr. Desautles!

Dr. Desautels’ website: Revelations in Education

Her book: Connection over Compliance: Rewiring our Perceptions of Discipline can be ordered HERE on Amazon.  The audio book is coming soon!

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

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Who is Jim Sporleder?

You might have met Jim Sporleder in the groundbreaking documentary Paper Tigers.  Jim is the former principal of Lincoln High School in Walla Walla, Washington, where he led his team and ultimately his students on the journey of becoming a trauma-informed school.

The work Jim, his team, and his students did was so phenomenal that it inspired the documentary Paper Tigers.  If you haven’t seen Paper Tigers, I highly recommend it.  It is absolutely worth your time!

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A New Lens on Behavior

Jim was inspired to shift toward a trauma-informed lens because he knew his school and his students needed something different.  He attended a trauma and toxic stress conference in 2010 where he was exposed to a completely new paradigm on behavior.

“I always believed behavior was a choice,” Jim said. 

He left that conference in 2010 with a new – and radically different – understanding of behavior.  He said it felt like he was hit by a bolt of lightning; he knew immediately that his approach to discipline needed to change.

Immediate Change

When Jim got back to his school after the conference, he made the announcement that the school would be taking a new approach and he set out to get his staff trained in a trauma-informed approach.

Jim remembers the first student he approached in a new way- a student who had cussed out a teacher.  Instead of laying into the student with a lecture and assigning the automatic three-day suspension, Jim asked the student “Hey, what’s going on?”

What’s Going On?

This simple question invited the student into connection.  The student- without any prompting- ultimately took responsibility for his behavior and offered to apologize to the teacher.  The student left the interaction with Jim by saying, “Thanks for talking.  It really helped.”

If we seek the voice, validate the feelings, we give self-worth to the kids we are working with.” ~Jim Sporleder

This wasn’t a unique experience!  Jim found that this was the common way this new approach to discipline challenges went.  This immediate and dramatic shift really “lit a fire” in Jim and his staff.

Not Taking Behavior Personally

One of the most remarkable pieces of Jim’s story is how quickly he was able to shift his paradigm and step out of taking behaviors personally.

Jim stated that his staff worked together as a team to continually support and remind each other not to take behavior personally.  They held each other accountable for staying curious and able to provide each other, and their students, with co-regulation.

I Love You Guys

My favorite scene from Paper Tigers is when one of the teachers wrapped up a lesson by saying “I love you guys.”

In that moment, professionals who work with kids were given permission to do what’s in their heart- express to their students that they love them.

It isn’t weird or creepy or inappropriate.

It’s just true.  And needed.

I Never Met a Kid This Approach Didn’t Work With

Did this new approach always work immediately?

No.

Did it always change the student’s life outside of school?

No.  Some kids still struggled with gang involvement or drug abuse.

But it never didn’t work.

If we are measuring our impact on changed behavior, we aren’t going to always see concrete indicators of change.

We are always hoping that kids can find safer ways to be in the world.

But simply because we don’t see clear behavior change doesn’t mean the approach isn’t working.

The Brain is Always Changing.

Maybe the student’s behavior will change in five years.  Maybe as a professional, we’ll be lucky enough to know about it.  Maybe we won’t.

But the brain can’t not change.

This approach can’t not work.

We’ll never be able to reach 100% of the kids.  But there’s no reason we can’t love 100% of the kids.” ~Jim Sporleder

It’s not a budget item.  We don’t need to worry about funding to love kids.

Who You Are, Not What You Do

I resonated so strongly with how Jim described how this trauma-responsive approach has change who he is as person, not just what he does in his job.

It’s changed every cell of who I am.” ~ Robyn Gobbel

The Trauma of Pandemic Schooling

We are in our third school-year of pandemic schooling.

Kids have gone through, and continue to go through, extreme stress.

Teachers has gone through, and continue to go through, extreme stress.

If ever we need a new approach, it’s now.” ~ Jim Sporleder

Unfortunately, it’s hard to shift to a new approach when we are under the extreme stress our educators are experiencing.

Curiosity emerges from a nervous system that is regulated and safe, and curiosity is needed to be open to considering and then trying a new approach.

Our educators need exactly what our kids need.

They need to be safe, seen, soothed, and secure (Dr. Daniel Siegel).

Some of our educators are in literal danger at school.  They’ve been assaulted by parents.  They are facing COVID exposure.  They can’t take a day off because there aren’t any substitutes.

Dear Educators Everywhere-

Thank you for still doing your job.  Thank you for not quitting. For continuing to show up every day and trying to bring safety to our students.

We must see our educator’s humanity, first.  This will relieve our stress and their’s.

Connect with Jim

Watch Paper Tigers on iTunes by CLICKING HERE.

Watch Paper Tigers on Amazon by CLICKING HERE.

Watch Paper Tigers on You Tube by CLICKING HERE.

Find Jim’s consulting services by CLICKING HERE.

Jim is the co-author (with Heather Forbes) of The Trauma Informed School.  You can find that by CLICKING HERE.

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

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Greg Santucci is an Occupational Therapist who has taken Facebook by storm with his bold, playful, and useful posts about working with kids- especially kids with regulation challenges.  He currently works both in a hospital clinic and in the schools.  Greg also has a consultation and training business where he gets to travel the country, training schools and occupational clinics in his ground-making model of working with kids through the lens of regulation and the neuroscience of behavior (sound familiar?!).

Greg has years of experience as a school-based occupational therapist and advocating for the respectful treatment of students.

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Moving Away from a Behavioral Model

Greg is vocal voice in the movement away from behavioral therapy, especially ABA.  He is emphatically opposed to behavioral methodology and practices while at the same time, he never criticized the professionals who have worked from a behavioral model.

We know more now and we have to be brave enough to move past what we thought we knew.

Greg Santucci

Attunement with Ourselves

One of my favorite moments in this interview was when Greg talked about how he is more fired up now in his work than ever before.  He’s feeling inspired, energized, and loves the work he is doing.

And this is during a time when so many of our colleagues are feeling burned out!

I feel the same way.  In addition to how the pandemic has impacted the mental health field and the families I work with, my own life has been more stressful than ever before.

Despite this, I feel the same way Greg does (mostly!).

Fired up! Energetic. Passionate.  Not burned out.

I’ve reflected on this before and I think this has everything to do with working within a framework that is in attunement with the way our bodies and nervous systems actually work. 

I can see, conceptualize, and be with very challenging behaviors without taxing my own nervous system because I’m in energetic attunement and connection with what behavior really isan expression of the autonomic nervous system. 

I’m not making judgments about anyone’s character, or shifting into righteous indignation, or trying to control their behavior (mostly!).

This has positively impacted my personal life too.

I have reflected more than once than I have no idea how I would have made it through the pandemic, the election season, and the significant challenges in my own family is if I wasn’t solidly grounded in the relational neuroscience of behavior.

Starting with a Foundation of Co-Regulation and Felt-Safety

We have to get back to the humanity of our work and away from getting kids to doing what we want by giving them something they want.

Greg Santucci

When we are focused on manipulatively changing someone else’s behavior, we are working in direct contradiction of their nervous system.

And our’s too.

The image that comes to mind for me is climbing up the downshoot of a slide.  We’re going against what is supposed to be happening.  There is a lot of friction and a lot of hard work.

When you go with the slide- the way it’s designed- it’s so much easier.  There’s a breath of relief that happens even as I type this.

Using coercive, manipulative interventions with anyone is so out of attunement with our own nervous systems that we have no choice but to disembody ourselves from the intuitive sensations that arise in our body that tells us we are doing something that is out of alignment.

This is so taxing on our nervous systems and I might even be bold enough to say that I think this underlies many (most) of the way we culturally and politically dehumanize anyone who is ‘not the same’ as us.

But that’s another podcast for another day.

No Such Thing As Only Behavioral

So often, I hear the question- “Is this sensory or is this behavioral?” And I’m not even an OT!

Or the other question I get is “Is this a trauma behavior? Or just a regular acting out behavior?” (I answer that question HERE.)

There is no such thing as just behavioral.  It’s not even possible.

All behavior is sensory.  It can’t not be.  Everything is sensory.

CLICK HERE for a great article written by my friend and colleague Amy Lewis: “Is it Sensory or Is It Behavior?”

Preferred Vs Non-Preferred

Greg and I had a lovely discussion about preferred versus non-preferred activities.

We all have non-preferred activities! In fact- probably most of what most of us do all day long is non-preferred. Hello, laundry?

With a relatively strong prefrontal cortex, I have the frustration tolerance to navigate through tasks I don’t really feel like doing.

I also find it so fascinating to consider that the idea of work avoidance overlooks some of the most core aspects of being human.

We are motivated to grow, be curious, and explore.  When we are regulated.

Connection is a biological imperative.  We are motivated to be cooperative while still staying true to ourselves.  When we are regulated.

Uncooperative, ‘work avoidant’ behavior is an invitation to ask “But why?”

I can guarantee you- the answer to why is about regulation, connection, and/or felt-safety.

Change the Sensory Channel

OOOOH I was super excited when Greg’s concept of “Change the Sensory Channel” came up in our conversation.  He posted about this on Facebook once (find that post HERE) and it was brilliant.

For example:

When kids are struggling to follow direction, Greg suggests trying to ‘change the sensory channel.’ If you words- the auditory channel- isn’t working (um, your child is ignoring you) try a new sensory channel.

  • Ask for eye contact (ask- don’t demand) – visual.
  • Physically touch or hand the child something – touch.
  • Help your child do what it is you are asking them to do- now you’re maybe adding in proprioception or vestibular input.

This Feels Better to the Grown Ups

When we change the sensory channel, we aren’t yelling!

We aren’t dysregulated!

There’s a breath in our body because we’ve connected with our kids and kept the ‘train on the track’ without anger, irritation, or frustration.

Changing How we See Behavior

Greg and I talked about how this one simple step- changing how we see behavior – changes US, the grown-ups.

We feel better.

We are less triggered, less angry, less overwhelmed, less stressed.

Even if nothing around us ever changes.  And let’s face it, it might not.

Find more Greg

Facebook: GregSantucciOT

https://GregSantucci.com

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!


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Julie Beem is the Executive Director of the Attachment and Trauma Network, a non-profit organization the supports the families of children who have experienced attachment trauma.  Julie first found the Attachment and Trauma Network when she was looking for support for her own family.  She described the Attachment and Trauma Network (ATN) as her family’s “lifeline” for many years.  Eventually, Julie reached a place where she was drawn to give back to ATN.  She started volunteering and now serves as the Executive Director.

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Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools Conference

Approximately six years ago, a group of parents with ATN who were also educators began talking with one another about how everything they were talking about in ATN was information that educators needed, too.  The Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools Annual Conference was born from those conversations and is now an annual event that serves over 1400 attendees every year.

In 2021, The Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools conference was offered virtually due to COVID.  The 2022 conference will be offered as a hybrid experience.  Participants can attend live in Houston on February 20-22, 2022 as well as attend virtual offerings on February 24-25, 2022.

Standing Strong Virtual Event for Parents

ATN has recognized that educators and parents both need access to the information that is shared during the Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools conference.  They also recognized that both groups need the information offered in a slightly different way that honors their unique needs.

ATN meets the needs of parents with regard to their child’s difficulties at school by creating a separate event, Standing Strong, which was offered virtually in the fall of 2021.  Standing Strong  focused on helping parents advocate for the children and knowing what types of services they can ask for.  Although that event has passed, ATN is looking at ways to make some of the content available for parents in an on-demand format.  If you sign up for ATNs email newsletter, you’ll be able to stay informed of all the resources they are continually releasing for parents and educators alike.

Where Do Families Even Start

When beginning to seek services for your child at school, your first question is “Does my child qualify for services?”  If your child already receives an IEP or 504 services, that will dictate the path you take to get the services your child needs.

The next question is “Should my child qualify for services?”  That means asking your school what steps you need to take to get your child evaluated for special education services- an IEP or 504.

If your child doesn’t meet the diagnostic criteria to receive services, then as parents you’ll want to focus on developing a relationship with your child teacher or teachers.  Through a supportive relationship, you may be able to help your child’s teacher be willing to learn about trauma-responsive classroom practices.

For some guidance on how to first approach your child’s teacher, check out my previous podcast on School Advocacy by CLICKING HERE.  It includes a sample email script that can begin the conversation.

When Your Child’s School Isn’t Open to this Conversation

Some teachers, administrators, and school systems are so stressed, and so traumatized themselves that they appear unwilling to shift their paradigm and consider a trauma-informed paradigm.

Then what?

Julie and I talked about how to acknowledge common educator fears, including:

  • I don’t have any more time or energy to do something new and different
  • I can’t do something different for one kid than for the rest of the class

When you approach the school, be clear that you want to make their job easier.  Be clear that the things you would suggest are not big things- they are simple things that will ultimately take them less time, not more.  Be clear that these practices- movement breaks, for example- are good for all kids; they won’t have to do something different or special for just one child.

Making Tough Decisions

Without a doubt, sometimes it’s just not possible to convince a school to respond to your child’s needs in a different, trauma-responsive way.  Some families do have to make very hard choices, such as moving their child to a different school or look at other alternative solutions, including home-schooling.

Julie acknowledged that there is a lot of privilege involved in homeschool or seeking alternative schooling solutions besides your public school.  Some families do not have this privilege.

Sometimes, though, we are so overwhelmed, so stressed, and feeling so hopeless that we have a very hard time seeing any creative solutions.  I have known many families who really do not have any other option than their public school.  I also know many families who when they get the co-regulation they need, their brain can calm down enough that they become able to see alternative solutions.

And Then, the Grief

It isn’t fair that our kids aren’t getting what they need from the public schools.  It isn’t fair that we have to make hard choices.  That we have to rework how we expected our family to be by homeschooling, or driving far, or figuring out a virtual school option.

It isn’t fair.  Our kids already face so many hardships and they should be able to access what they need at school.

There is grief there and our grief deserves to be seen, known, and validated.

Systemic Change

Ultimately, this is so much bigger than one family advocating for one child with one teacher.  We continue to need broad, systemic change in our school systems and in our cultural understanding of what behavior really it.

The Attachment & Trauma Network

Parents and educators can join ATN for free.  CLICK HERE to see what ATN offers.

ATN also offers a podcast- Regulated and Relational– that Julie co-hosts with Ginger Healy.

The 2022 Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools Conference is open for registration and you can see all the details and register by CLICKING HERE.

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!


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Emily Daniels, MEd., MBA, NCC, SEP in Training is the founder of HERE this NOW, a trauma-informed education and consulting firm dedicated to bringing trauma-informed education into schools.  She is the author of The Regulated Classroom, a guidebook for teachers to help them bring the science of regulation and the autonomic nervous system into their classroom, as well as the creator of the Educator Self-Care Toolkit, a collection of regulation hacks and sensory tools for educators.

I met Emily earlier this year, serendipitously in an online community that had nothing to do with trauma or mental health.  When I peeked a little further at who Emily is and what she is doing, I messaged and said “Hey- we should know each other!”

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I was right!  Emily has combined her history as a school counselor, intimate knowledge of our education system, as well as her understanding of the body, nervous system, and Polyvagal Theory to develop training for schools.

Like so many of us, Emily remembers attending a conference where she was introduced to the relationship between the trauma, autonomic nervous system, and behaviors and had the trajectory of career dramatically changed.

Emily remembers being so emotionally impacted by Dr. Peter Levine’s presentation in a conference that she was brought to intense tears.  The conference led Emily to become trained in Somatic Experiencing (Dr. Levine’s model of somatic trauma healing) and ultimately to create her consulting firm, HERE this NOW as a way to bring trauma-informed classroom practices into the schools.

HERE this NOW

HERE the NOW began by brining basic trauma-informed information to schools and educators.  Emily loved this work but was, of course, consistently asked by the educators in the audience, “Well, what do we do with this information?”

Emily knew that educators need tools and practical strategies to implement in their classrooms but she also knew that tools and strategies weren’t really the most important part of the solution.  Determined to blend tools and strategies with educator self-awareness led Emily to develop The Regulated Classroom.

The Regulated Classroom

The Regulated Classroom is a “somatosensory and polyvagal informed” approach to social-emotional learning in the classroom.   Polyvagal Theory, developed by Dr. Stephen Porges, helps us understand the actual origin of behaviors and brings compassion to ourselves, and to others. It also explains why simply learning coping skills and different behavioral choices doesn’t always lead to the actual behavior change.

Polyvagal Theory can easily be experienced as overwhelming.  It’s dense science with many layers of complexity.  Emily has taken the most important components of Polyvagal Theory and distilled it into a paradigm that is understandable and practical for educators.

4 Classroom Practices

The Regulated Classroom is organized into four classroom practices:

  • Connectors- practices that cultivate relationships in the classroom
  • Activators- collective rhythm-making exercises grounded in the theory of regulating the brainstem
  • Settlers- Practices to calm the body’s stress response
  • Affirmations- Practices that encourage reflection, compassion, and recognition for self and others.

Emily offers training in multiple formats, including short workshops or daylong trainings (live and virtual) as well as ongoing consultation with schools to deepen their understanding and implementation of the practices.  The embodiment of Polyvagal Theory and regulation theory simply takes time and practice.

Polyvagal Theory

Emily and I don’t go into the underlying science or even explain Polyvagal Theory much at all in this episode.  You’ll have to tune in to future episodes for a quick summary of Polyvagal Theory.

For today, I invite you to connect with this one core truth about Polyvagal Theory.  

Polyvagal Theory offers an explanation for why we do the things that we do- especially the things that are easy to judge and criticize.  Through this, Polyvagal Theory provides uswith a sense of being seen and then an accompanying deep sense of compassion.

It provides the science for the truth that all behaviors make sense. 

This doesn’t mean all behaviors are OK.  But they all make sense and that changes how we approach and view behaviors.

It allows us to approach one another (and ourselves) with compassion and we know that Compassion is the Neurobiology of Change (Robyn Gobbel).

Story Follows State

“I have a lot more suspicion about the meaning I make from the physiological experiences I encounter.” Emily Daniels

Polyvagal theory has taught us we are often creating meaning and writing a story about what is happening- or even someone else’s behaviors – that is based on our own physiological state.

We have a sensation in our bodies and we quickly make meaning out of it.

Polyvagal Theory has taught us that we can be suspicious (curious!) of the story.

Is it possible to consider that the voice in our ear is just a story.  And if that’s possible, does that mean that it’s possible for it to shift?

Instead of focusing on the story, what if we remained open to the possibility that what feels like a truth is actually just a story?

Then our story can change. 

This Applies to Other’s Behaviors, Too

Polyvagal Theory invites us to change our perception of other’s behavior, too.

When we allow ourselves to stay curious about someone else’s behaviors without quickly making meaning out of them, it is easier to remember that this other person’s behavior has nothing to do with us.

It’s simply information about the state of their autonomic nervous system. 

More Emily!

As Emily and I wrap up this episode, we explore the different ways Emily’s resources could support you or your child’s teacher even if you aren’t in a position to ask your administration to bring Emily in to train your school (though, it never hurts to try!)

The Regulated Classroom Guidebook

The guidebook is strategically laid out to walk an educator through the four key points listed above in the 4 Classroom Practices.  The guidebook is available for individual purchase at The Regulated Classroom and can stand alone without participating in one of Emily’s trainings.

The Educator Self-Care Tool Kit

Recently introduced to the world, the toolkit is specifically designed to help educators pay attention to and bring regulation to their own nervous system.  Emily has received feedback from educators that it’s the first thing they have ever received that is specific for them- not for their students. The self-care tool kit is available for purchase HERE and includes:

  • The Regulated Classroom Guidebook
  • Capeable™ magnetic focus fidget
  • Capeable™ weighted scarf
  • Mad Mattr™
  • (5) Mesh and marble fidget
  • (3) Koosh balls
  • (1) Massage roller ball
  • (3) Squishy stress balls
  • (2) Essential oils
  • (5) Stretch noodles
  • (3) Resistance spiky rings
  • (2) Monkey foam 
  • Calming tea

Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!


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School has always been a wild card for the kids that I work with.

Some kids with vulnerable nervous systems thrive in the structure of school.  They do well with the less intimate relational demands and feel regulated by the daily routine and clarity around what’s going to happen next.

Some kids with vulnerable nervous systems end up feeling chronically dysregulated at school and this largely results in behavior that the school doesn’t know how to navigate.  Quickly the child finds themselves in a pretty vicious cycle of dysregulation, behavior, school response, increased dysregulation, increased challenging behavior, and on and on and on and on.

Before I go any further, let me reassure you that this podcast episode will take the same no shame no blame stance as all my previous episodes because that’s what it means to deeply understand the relational neurosciences and our nervous system.

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All Behavior is Adaptive and Makes Sense!

…to that individual’s nervous system at that moment based on what they are experiencing and neuroceiving and how they make sense of what they are experiencing and neuroceiving.

Each of has a completely subjective experience in every moment based on our billions of previous experiences.  For more on the science of how all behavior is adaptive in the moment given our nervous system- which doesn’t mean all behavior is good or even that we shouldn’t feel pretty motivated to change some particularly challenging behavior- head to a previous podcast and blog episode at robyngobbel.com/maladaptive.

This Applies to Adult Behavior, Too

Sometimes in this episode- and other episodes, too- we might talk about both kids and adults- including myself- behaving in a way that we might call ‘badly.’  Reflecting on behavior is always through the lens of curiosity and compassion, never judgment.

Behavior is just information.  We can get curious about what it means and sometimes, we have to set a boundary.  Simply because we understand behavior and believe it all makes sense doesn’t me we allow or tolerate behavior that is harmful or crosses boundaries.

School Behavior is Becoming More Challenging

Usually about mid-October the conversations with parents in my office becomes increasingly about their child’s difficulties at school.  This almost always (though not always!) turns into frustration about how the school is responding or maybe even provoking the behavior.

This time of year is when I start to spend more time on the phone with the school. Meetings are scheduled. I’m sending off resources to the ones who are expressing interest and curiosity in learning more.

But let’s just name a truth here at the very beginning of this episode. The families I work with have to navigate a lot of school personnel- teachers, admins, support staff- who aren’t behaving in a way that suggests they are curious or interested.

Regretfully many of these adults are behaving in a way that could be called rigid, controlling, even scary.

Again remember y’all. NO shame no blame.

Protection Mode Behaviors

When I’m working with adults who are behaving in controlling and rigid ways I remind myself that those are behaviors of a brain in protection mode.

That person’s nervous system is not experiencing felt safety and they’ve moved out of our brain’s default connection mode and into protection mode.

Defensiveness, rigidity, control are all behaviors of protection mode.

Curiosity, compassionate boundaries, flexibility are all behaviors of connection mode.

Our Educators are in Protection Mode.

They are stressed.

They are at times literally unsafe, and if they aren’t literally unsafe they are neuroceiving a lack of safety.

They are understaffed and overworked.  Some of still trying to figure out how to teach both virtually and in person.

They are in their now third year of COVID school.

They are working in districts where parents are being arrested for assault.

Being a teacher is a hard task in the best of times and we are nowhere close to the best of times.

Kids and parents are also spending a lot of time in protection mode of their nervous system.

A System that Lacks Felt-Safety

What happens when we create a system full of people in protection mode?

Control, rigidity, and lack of flexibility.

Relational behavior emerges from connection mode.  Relational behavior emerges from feeling safe and regulated.

It’s just plain hard to feel safe and regulated right now.

So…What Do We Do?

Now that we’ve brought to the forefront of our minds and hearts both understanding and compassion for our educators, what do parents do next?

Maybe your kid’s behavior is escalating, the punishment from school is escalating, your child is getting more dysregulated and that’s causing more disruptive behavior, not less disruptive.

Maybe you’re thinking “I’m about to lose my job because I keep having to take time off work to go to the school.”

Maybe you’re just bone wary that you’re still having to advocate against systems – like token behavior management systems- that really is hard to understand why, after all these years of clear evidence that they are harmful and do not work, they are still being used.

Yup.  Of course you are.

And what do we do next?

In the coming weeks, I have a line-up of guests that will bring compassion, care, and understanding to all–  children, parents, and of course, our educators.

Our of my upcoming guests is Lori Desautels, author Connection Over Compliance.  In our interview Lori stated that educators are crisis-schooling right now.  Or maybe she said crisis educating, I don’t remember.

Many if not most of our educators have been crisis educating for years due to lack of funding, under-resourced and over-crowded classrooms.  Now they are in their third school year of pandemic school and yes, this is a crisis.

Co-Experiencing Crisis

Very rarely do we have an experience where the folks whose job is to hold the world together- folks like health care workers, educators, and mental health workers, are experiencing the exact same crisis as the people they serve.

Co-experiencing a crisis with the people you are supposed to be regulated enough to hold their crisis is traumatic.  I’m more in touch with how this impacting our metal health workers – who are burned out, quitting, and at times providing suboptimal care because their own nervous system is so frayed and they don’t even realize it because it’s the new normal- but I assume that this exact scenario is playing out with our educators.

Burned out, quitting, and at times providing suboptimal care.

Remember.  No shame no blame.

A nervous system in a chronic state of crisis isn’t capable of providing optimal care.

Their normal and adaptive responses are leading the way- control, rigidity, inflexibility, judgment, and punishment.

Those are behaviors that emerge from a nervous system in chronic protection mode.

What can Parent’s Do?

How can you connect with your child’s teacher or the admins because what’s happening to your child- the controlling and rigid systems, the punitive approach to change behavior, their lack of compassion, the suspensions, the everything- isn’t OK.

Connect First.  Then Correct.

Lead with the same skills you lead with when you want to connect and coregulate with your child.

  1. Tend to your own nervous system first. Acknowledge to yourself your very real and righteous feelings, give yourself compassion, take a breath, and then apply the science of safety to the teacher.  Their behavior says they are stressed and in protection mode.
  2. Approach them with curiosity and a genuine spirit of connection and team work.
  3. Be clear that you see them and their struggles. See their humanity.
  4. Offer to help. In a way that is clear that your help won’t cause more stress.

An Email Example

Sometimes it’s helpful to have an example.  You are free to use as much or as little of this example as feels supportive.

Dear Teacher- I know you have so much going on and this email is now one more thing for you to tend to.  I can’t imagine how you are juggling everything you are juggling right now.  I wanted to send a quick note about Sam.  He’s definitely struggling to stay regulated at school which we see in his behavior when he’s rude, sassy, refuses to do work, distracts the class, leaves, calls you names, {insert whatever behavior here}. 

I’m on the same page as you in that I definitely want Sam’s behavior to change so he can learn and you can do your job.  I really understand the urge to punish Sam for his behavior because sometimes it’s just so maddening! I sometimes don’t know what else to do and I punish, too.  Unfortunately, I’ve learned the hard way that not only does that not work, but it usually makes things worse.  I’d love to work together with you because I want as much as you do for Sam’s behaviors to get better, not worse.  That’ll make your job way easier. 

How could I best support you?  Would you prefer to meet or would it be easier on your time and schedule if I just email over a few resources that have been really helpful to me in understanding Sam’s behavior and responding in a way that decreases those behaviors.

You Want the Same Thing the Teacher Wants

For your child’s behavior to improve.  Their behavior is just a flag that let’s you know how much distress they are in, and you want to alleviate that distress.

When you communicate with a teacher or administrator, use tons of empathy, compassion, and statements that communicate that their feelings makes sense.

“Of course…” and “That makes so much sense to me.”

So something like “Of course you want to punish.  That’s what I want to do a lot of the times too.”

But then, a boundary.

“Unfortunately, I’ve learned punishments don’t work and often make things worse.”

What Next?

What you say after that exchange depends on the response you get.

My experience working with teachers is that they chose a career dedicated to kids for a reason- they love kids and want to have good relationships with them.  When the teacher feels seen and not attacked or blamed, when they feel a partnership with parents instead of an adversarial one (remember that there are teachers in the US who have literally been assaulted physically by parents and the incidents of verbal assaults are even higher, so teachers are afraid and defended right now), their nervous system has the opportunity to shift into connection mode.

Just Like Our Kids.

And what emerges from connection mode?

Curiosity. Flexibility.  Compassionate boundaries.

Bringing You the Experts

Ultimately, I’m not an educator and I spend very little (like none) time in schools.

It’s not really my place to talk much about schools, teachers, and advocating for both your child and their teacher – and hopefully I’ve been clear that I definitely believe both (kids and teachers!) deserve a safe and regulated place to spend their days.

That means I’ve gathered the experts for you.

In the coming weeks you’re going to hear from:

  • Emily Daniels, education consultant, founder of the training and consulting agency Here this Now, author of The Regulated Classroom and creator of the educator self-care toolkit.
  • Greg Santucci, occupational therapist extraordinaire who has decades of experience working with the schools and whose playful, compassionate, and grounded in science approach has taken social media by storm in the last year.
  • Lori Desautels, author of Connections over Compliance, assistant professor at Butler University, and creator of Butler’s nine-hour graduate certification in Applied Educational Neuroscience, and founder of the Educational Neuroscience Symposium.
  • Jim Sporleder the former high school principal who you are probably familiar with from the documentary Paper Tigers and if you, aren’t go watch it now! Jim is also the co-author with Heather Forbes of The Trauma Informed School.
  • And Julie Beem, Executive Director of the Attachment and Trauma Network which offers so many services for all the grown-ups who care for kids impacted by trauma, including their Trauma Informed Schools Initiative and an annual Creating Trauma Sensitive Schools Conference.

Amazing right?!  How did I get this lucky that these five dynamic forces all said yes to an interview?!

If you haven’t already, hit subscribe to the Parenting after Trauma podcast on your podcast player and sign up to receive my emails so you can be sure to know when the episodes go live!

Robyn

Would you like to explore further into this complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!


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What if we could get better behavior by focusing on something completely different?

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Holistic Psychologist, Educator, and Mom

Dr. Nicole Beurkens is a holistic psychologist in Grand Rapids, MI who also has degrees and experience in education and nutrition.

Dr. Beurkens started her career in special education and soon found herself with a desire to work with kids, parents, and families in a deeper way than she was able to as an educator.

Through her work with families, as well as her own family, Dr. Beurkens became interested in nutrition and brain health, ultimately earning another master’s degree in nutrition so that she could incorporate nutrition health into her work with kids and families.

Go Beneath Behavior

Dr. Nicole and I get pretty jazzed about the importance about looking waaaaay beneath behavior at a child’s physiology and how nutrition specifically impacts the child’s physiology.  We agreed that attachment, boundaries, connection, all the things we are always talking about on this podcast are SO important…

And…

If a child’s microbiome is out of whack, their gut health, is impaired or there are other physiological difficulties that are contributing to their behavioral difficulties, then there is very little change can be made until the physical challenges are addressed.

What Clues Suggest a Physiological Difficulty?

As a mental health therapist, parents come to be because their kids have behavior problems.  I take a thorough history and attempt to gather data that could give me clues that there is an underlying physiological need, but sometimes it’s hard to know exactly what to ask or what to look for.

Dr. Nicole said one of the clues that it’s time to explore physiological needs is if a family is doing ‘all the things’- parenting with connection and co-regulation, setting good boundaries, etc. but just not making any traction in creating more calm in their chaotic home.

Other things she takes into consideration when deciding to explore nutrition and physiology are if the child has (any, not all):

  • Limited picky diet
  • Diagnosed food allergies
  • History of physical health issues
  • Miralax dependence
  • Medications that address physical health (not just psychological health)
  • History of any other gut challenges, including parasites

Intergenerational Impact on the Microbiome

Dr. Nicole talked about something I’d never thought of before!  Our gut microbiomes are well-honed over generations to work in our environment.  When a child is adopted- especially international but even when adoption places a child in neighboring community or even just a different family- children have their gut microbiome formed to navigate one culture, setting, or geography, but then that child is transplanted into a different setting.  I thought this was such an interesting and important thing to consider- and I know admittedly little about the gut microbiome!

Felt-Safety

Felt-Safety is about how our physiology doing- it’s not relational felt-safety.  If our physiology is off- an infection, inflammation, illness…even being tired or hungry…the nervous system will flip into ‘protection’ mode- which brings about defensive behaviors.

Addressing our children’s nutritional needs, the microbiome, inflammation, leaky gut is a crucial component of establishing felt-safety.

The kid who only poops once a week?  That’s not just about pooping!  That’s a kid who is physically uncomfortable, which impacts their felt sense of OKness in their body, which impacts felt-safety.  The chronic runny nose?  Having a chronic, uncomfortable symptom takes up a lot of a person’s window of tolerance and they have less capacity to navigate other stressor!  Not to mention that there’s got to be an underlying reason for a chronic symptoms like constipation or congestion.

What About Us?

Dr. Nicole reminds us everything she is talking about with regards to our kids’ nutrition, health, and body applies to us, too!  If our nutrition is poor, our sleep is poor, our stress is sky-high then we have to focus on that if we want to ultimately parent with more regulation, connection, and offerings of felt-safety.

Normal versus Optimal

Ohhhhh I just loved when Dr. Nicole said that she isn’t interested in normal- she’s interested in optimal.  She is so clear that it’s much more important to look at the child and their symptoms and treat that- over their bloodwork.  Yes, drawing labs can be helpful but not at the expense of looking at symptoms.

Lab works suggests what’s normal across the entire population.  Lab work does not suggest what’s optimal for your specific child.

She also reminds us that sometimes really simply things, like a multivitamin, can make a huge difference.

Small Changes

Making nutritional changes can feel so overwhelming that sometimes parents chose not to think about nutrition at all.  Dr. Nicole reminds us that even small changes can make a big difference.  She gave the example of swapping out the fruit snacks you usually buy for a different brand that has less sugar.  It’s a small but important step that doesn’t have to cause a lot of additional friction in your relationship with your child.  Dr. Nicole is so clear that she is never asking parents to make enormous changes, switching to an unrealistic (for many families) all organic, all homemade food diet.

Small changes can go a long way in nutrient density- and nutrients feed the brain, which of course impacts behavior.

When Food is Already Stressful in Your Home

Dr. Nicole and I acknowledge that kids with a history of relational trauma who so often develop a lot of challenges related to their diet is an entire other podcast episode- but I asked for easy and practical tips and tricks anyway!

Dr. Nicole said there’s two ways to approach diet changes.

  1. Bite the bullet

There’s no slow way into this major change, everyone just has to deal with the awful for 7-10 days, and then it’ll get better.  Your kids won’t like it, you won’t like it, no one likes it but sometimes it’s just what needs to happen.

  1. Tip Toe In

For many families, a more gradual approach is more realistic and attainable.  In those situations, Dr. Nicole recommends:

  • Get more hydration. Focus on pushing in before removing, especially for any child who has a history of food insecurity.  For example, start to slowly water down juice, allowing their palette to slowly acclimate to less sweetness and get more water into their bodies.
  • Find a snack or meal option that can be substituted for something more nutrient dense. One, slow step at time.  Nicole is so clear- ONE simple shift at a time.
  • Give greater exposure to more nutrient dense foods. Not even thinking about what goes in their mouth, but exposing them to shopping and cooking and meal planning.  Be sure that as a family you are having meals together.  Even having kids helping you put food on the table or serving the food- even though they aren’t eating it.  Having your child put the food on their plate, with reassurance that they do not have to eat it.

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Robyn

Would you like to explore a complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!


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Is this way of parenting, this connection-based, brain-based, co-regulation-based way, permissive parenting? Are kids just learning to get away with bad behavior?

Don’t people need a consequence to learn what behavior to do more of…and what behavior to do less of?

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But- What About a Consequence?

The question “But what about a consequence?” usually means one of two things.

Either the person asking the question hasn’t fully bought into the relational neuroscience theory that regulated connected kids who feel safe (and know what to do) do well– OR they are dysregulated themselves and have fallen into old ways of responding to negative behavior.

That happens to all of us!

When we are dysregulated, we fall back into old, well-exercised neural pathways like “Bad behavior = consequence.”

I wrote about this in a blog from a few weeks ago- check it out! Has Trauma Informed Become Another Behavior Modification Technique?

What does Consequence Even Mean

Another challenge with the “But What About a Consequence” question is that nobody really agrees on what consequence means.

A consequence is just the thing that happens next. 

The consequence of me putting my foot on the gas is that my car accelerates.

The consequence of me oversleeping is that I have a rushed morning, I’m grouchy, and maybe late.

The consequence of one too many cups of coffee is that I can’t sleep for 12 days.

Some consequences are positive

They tend to make us want to do that behavior again.

The consequence of me finally getting up early enough to not rush through my morning routine and make it to work on time is positive- I like that.  I’ll do that again.

Some consequences are negative

The consequence of me drinking a cup of coffee after 2pm means I will never sleep again.  I don’t like that- I won’t do that again.

Learning from consequences- not punishments- means that the next time the situation rolls around, I have to remember.  I have to be regulated so that I can be mindful enough to pause my behavioral impulses- to drink coffee all day long- long enough to think “WAIT. Don’t drink that!  You’ll never sleep again!”

This is actually a pretty advanced cognitive skill and like I said, requires a lot of regulation and mindfulness.

Because slowing down, noticing, and choosing a different behavior requires a LOT of energy and frankly even calories.

Consequence Do Work!

It’s not that consequences- positive or negative- don’t work.  Consequences can lead to behavior change.

It’s that we’re banking on the problem being related to the child needing to know something new and then the next time, being regulated enough to pause, remember, and do something different.

I mean, most adults I know have a hard time with that!

Consequence is often a code-word for Punishment

Beyond that, very rarely do people use the word consequence to mean what it means- something that happens next.   

Most of the time, we are using the word consequence as a code word for punishment.

But what about the consequence? isn’t really asking about the consequence, because whatever the consequence really is, it already happened.

It’s really asking- but what is the punishment?

If regulated, connected kids who feel safe (and know what to do!) behave well, why do they need a punishment?

They don’t need a punishment.

They need us to help them solve the real problem.  Do they need to more co-regulation?  Connection? Or felt-safety?

What do Kids Really Need?

Sometimes we realize that our child doesn’t have what they need to be regulated, connected, and experiencing felt-safety in a certain setting.

Maybe your 5 and 7-year-olds can’t play without adult supervision without hurting each other.

They don’t need a punishment.

They need more adult co-regulation so that their 5 and 7-year-old owl brains to stay in charge enough that they can have age-appropriate sharing skills, frustration tolerance, and words to express what they need and want.

This might mean they need their play toys to be in the main room where the grownups are so the regulated adults can lend them their regulated brains more easily.

They might need help scaffolding the very complex social nuances of shared play.

(I give a lot more examples in the podcast episode)

Your Child Does Need Boundaries!

This approach to parenting doesn’t mean you child never hears no or there aren’t any boundaries.

And it isn’t an approach that avoids unhappy children.

It is an approach that recognizes what the real problem is (lack of regulation, connection or felt safety) and had that contributes to poor impulse control, poor frustration tolerance, or difficulty in putting together cause and effect.

Behaviors that we would label as rude or disrespectful or even verbally aggressive are really about a child being activated/aroused and not experiencing felt safety.  That’s dysregulated.

Opposition, defiance, and other challenging behaviors emerge from a brain that isn’t experiencing felt-safety.  Their brain has flipped into protection mode.  The owl brain has flown away and the watch dog or possum brain have taken over.

CLICK HERE for a blog on how activation/arousal is underneath behaviors like opposition, defiance, and aggression.

So- what do we do?

Create safety for the watchdog or possum brain.  Bring that activation down.

Parenting after Trauma: Minding the Heart and Brain is allll about creating safety for the watchdog and possum brain, and growing the owl brain.

Prosocial, age-appropriate social and relational behaviors will emerge.

This is super hard work for us grown-ups!!!  Kids- and especially kids with fragile nervous systems or histories of trauma, need lots of structure, predictability, and co-regulation.

There is a place for our hard-earned grief that our older or bigger kids cannot do the things that their same age peers can do- like play with their siblings or friends without hitting them.  Like get up for school.  Like leave the house in the morning for school without 9 million meltdowns.

Grieve that truth.

What Does Your Child Need to Be Successful?

What’s happening in your child’s body that is leaving them in such a chronic state of activation that they are regularly rude, disrespectful, and uncooperative?  How can you calm their arousal?  Help their body feel safe?  Create an environment or an experience from them to succeed?

This way of parenting isn’t boundary-less or permissive.  It recognizes that children don’t need punishments or rewards to change behavior.  They need regulation, connection, and felt-safety- and probably some new skills too but we have to teach those skills when they’re regulated.

What consequence does this child need (which is almost always code for what punishment does this child need) can be replaced by what does my child need in order to be successful?  How can I create an experience for them in which it would be impossible for them to fail?

When my child isn’t doing well managing the responsibilities of his life I pause and ask why.  What does he need that he isn’t getting?  Regulation? Connection? Felt-Safety?

These are big concepts and I’ve blogged a lot about them in the past!

Has Trauma Informed Become a Behavior Modification Technique?

What’s Regulation Got to do With it

Focus on Arousal not Behavior

Connection can’t not work

We are Always Searching and Yearning for Connection

Felt Safety- what’s that?

Connection or Protection

What Behavior Really Is– free video series masterclass

Deep-Dive into the Watchdog, Owl, and Possum Brain

The owl, watchdog, and possum brain (yours and your child’s!) are the stars of Parenting after Trauma: Minding the Heart and Brain– my online digital course.  Check it out!

Robyn

Would you like to explore further into this complete paradigm-shift on how we see behavior? You can watch my F R E E 45(ish) minute-long masterclass on What Behavior Really Is and How to Change It.

Just let me know where to send the links!